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[–] Alexstarfire@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)
[–] xavier666@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago

Clickbait 101

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

It’s the verge, after all. Nobody should read their slop

[–] RageAgainstTheRich@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

Even a few months ago it was hard for people with the knowledge to use AI on photos. I don't like the idea of this but its unavoidable. There is already so much misinformation and this will make it so much worse.

[–] frengo_@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (3 children)

I wish tools to detect if an image is real or not become as easy to use and good as these AI tools bullshit.

[–] MagicShel@programming.dev 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

We need to bring back people who can identify shops from some of the pixels and having seen quite a few shops in their time.

[–] Areldyb@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

Captain Disillusion vs. The Artificer

[–] conciselyverbose@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

It's fundamentally not possible.

At some point fakes will be picture perfect indistinguishable.

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[–] adam_y@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

It's always been about context and provenance. Who took the image? Are there supporting accounts?

But also, it has always been about the knowlege that no one... Absolutely no one... Does lines of coke from a woven mat floor covering.

don't do drugs kids.

[–] xylogx@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] echodot@feddit.uk 0 points 4 months ago

Nope it must be real because everyone knows fake photographs only became possible in 2022 with AI otherwise all these articles would be stupid.

[–] mctoasterson@reddthat.com 0 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Lots of obviously fake tipoffs in this one. The overall scrawny bitch aesthetic, the fact she is wearing a club/bar wrist band, the bottle of Mom Party Select™ wine, and the persons thumb/knee in the frame... All those details are initially plausible until you see the shitty AI artifacts.

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago

All the details you just mentioned are also present in the unaltered photo though. Only the "drugs" are edited in.

Didn't read the article, did you?

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 0 points 4 months ago

Em what. The drug power finale is what has been added in by the AI what are you talking about.

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[–] hperrin@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

We literally lived for thousands of years without photos. And we’ve lived for 30 years with Photoshop.

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Except it was way harder to do.

Now call me a "ableist, technophobic, luddite", that wants to ruin the chance of other people making GTA-like VRMMORPGs from a single line of prompt!

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 0 points 4 months ago (3 children)

You know that's not possible right?

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[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The article takes a doomed tone for sure but the reality is we know how dangerous and prolific misinformation is.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

The Nazis based their entire philosophy on misinformation, and they did this in a world that predated computers. I don't actually think there's going to be a problem here all of the issues that the people are claiming exist have always been possible and not only possible but actually done in many cases.

AI is just the tool by which misinformation will now be spread but if AI didn't exist the misinformation would just find another path.

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[–] Th4tGuyII@fedia.io 0 points 4 months ago (5 children)

Image manipulation has always been a thing, and there are ways to counter it...

But we already know that a shocking amount of people will simply take what they see at face value, even if it does look suspicious. The volume of AI generated misinformation online is already too damn high, without it getting more new strings in it's bow.

Governments don't seem to be anywhere near on top of keeping up with these AI developments either, so by the law starts accounting for all of this, the damage will be far done already.

[–] Badeendje@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

On our vacation 2 weeks ago my wife made an awesome picture just with one guy annoyingly in the background. She just tucked him and clicked the button.. poof gone, perfect photo.

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

We've had fake photos for over 100 years at this point.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cottingley_Fairies

Maybe it's time to do something about confirming authenticity, rather than just accepting any old nonsense as evidence of anything.

At this point anything can be presented as evidence, and now can be equally refuted as an AI fabrication.

We need a new generation of secure cameras with internal signing of images and video (to prevent manipulation), built in LIDAR (to make sure they're not filming a screen), periodic external timestamps of data (so nothing can be changed after the supposed date), etc.

[–] ricdeh@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I am very opposed to this. It means surrendering all trust in pictures to Big Tech. If at some time only photos signed by Sony, Samsung, etc. are considered genuine, then photos taken with other equipment, e.g., independently manufactured cameras or image sensors, will be dismissed out of hand. If, however, you were to accept photos signed by the operating system on those devices regardless of who is the vendor, that would invalidate the entire purpose because everyone could just self-sign their pictures. This means that the only way to effectively enforce your approach is to surrender user freedom, and that runs contrary to the Free Software Movement and the many people around the world aligned with it. It would be a very dystopian world.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 0 points 4 months ago

It would also involve trusting those corporations not to fudge evidence themselves.

I mean, not everything photo related would have to be like this.

But if you wanted you photo to be able to document things, to provide evidence that could send people to prison or be executed...

The other choice is that we no longer accept photographic, audio or video evidence in court at all. If it can no longer be trusted and even a complete novice can convincingly fake things, I don't see how it can be used.

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[–] cley_faye@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

This is only a threat to people that took random picture at face value. Which should not have been a thing for a long while, generative AI or not.

The source of an information/picture, as well as how it was checked has been the most important part of handling online content for decades. The fact that it is now easier for some people to make edits does not change that.

[–] zecg@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

It's a shitty toy that'll make some people sorry when they don't have any photos from their night out without tiny godzilla dancing on their table. It won't have the staying power Google wishes it to, since it's useless except for gags.

But, please, Verge,

It took specialized knowledge and specialized tools to sabotage the intuitive trust in a photograph.

get fucked

[–] Treedrake@fedia.io 0 points 4 months ago

This reaffirms my wish to go back to monkey.

[–] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

People can write things that aren't true! Oh no, now we can't trust trustworthy texts such as scientific papers that have undergone peer review!

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 0 points 4 months ago

The Verge are well versed on writing things that are untrue

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[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

If I say Tiananmen Square, you will, most likely, envision the same photograph I do.

There was film of that exact event. The guy didn't get run over by the tank, he got on the hood and berated the driver.

Cops in America would run you over for less

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 months ago

What do you mean explain away? I pointed out that they always stop the footage in a way that implies he dies- when he clearly doesn't. Having an article about how AI photos can be used to manipulate our perception of reality cite an instance of careful propaganda manipulating the perception of what happened was just a little on the nose.

Seriously posting about a massacre from over 30 years ago where a few hundred people were killed fighting the cops like its supposed to carry water today? Just compare that to the massacre that's happening right now in Gaza, way more actual evidence of heinous crimes and it's way more of a concern to me because it's my government funding it.

[–] naeap@sopuli.xyz 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Well, luckily all just had a talk and some tea about it and nobody died

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Okay so it's the verge so I'm not exactly expecting much but seriously?

No one on Earth today has ever lived in a world where photographs were not the linchpin of social consensus

People have been faking photographs basically since day one, with techniques like double exposure. Also even more sophisticated photo manipulation has been possible with Photoshop which has existed for decades.

There's a photo of me taken in the '90s on thunder mountain at Disneyland which has been edited to look like I'm actually on a mountainside rather than in a theme park. I think we can deal with fakeable photographs the only difference here is the process is automatable which honestly doesn't make even the blindest bit of difference. It's quicker but so what.

[–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago (12 children)

It used to take professionals or serious hobbyists to make something fake look believable. Now it’s at the tip of everyone’s fingers. Fake photos were already a smaller issue, but this very well could become a tidal wave of fakes trying to grab attention.

Think about how many scammers there are. Think about how many horny boys there are. Think about how much online political fuckery goes around these days. When believable photographs of whatever you want people to believe are at the tips of anyone’s fingers, it’s very, very easy to start a wildfire of misinformation. And think about the young girls being tormented in middle school and high school. And all the scammable old people. And all the fascists willing to use any tool at their disposal to sow discord and hatred.

It’s not a nothing problem. It could very well become a torrent of lies.

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[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

There are even actual statues of completely made up stuff.

[–] conciselyverbose@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 months ago (15 children)

I think this is a good thing.

Pictures/video without verified provenance have not constituted legitimate evidence for anything with meaningful stakes for several years. Perfect fakes have been possible at the level of serious actors already.

Putting it in the hands of everyone brings awareness that pictures aren't evidence, lowering their impact over time. Not being possible for anyone would be great, but that isn't and hasn't been reality for a while.

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[–] Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

~~TAKING OUR JOBS~~

~~HARASSING WOMEN AND CHILDREN~~

~~A THREAT TO OUR WAY OF LIFE~~

~~THEY'RE SHITTING ON THE BEACHES~~

REWRITING HISTORY BY DOCTORING PHOTOS WITH NEVER SEEN BEFORE PHOTO MANIPULATIONS

Sorry everyone I keep forgetting which zeitgeist that media is currently using to make us hate and fear something.

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[–] randy@lemmy.ca 0 points 4 months ago (6 children)

Relevant XKCD. Humans have always been able to lie. Having a single form of irrefutable proof is the historical exception, not the rule.

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