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If you thought that Microsoft was done with Recall after its catastrophic reveal as the main feature of Copilot+ PCs, you are mistaken.

Microsoft wants to bring it back this October 2024. Good news is that the company plans to introduce it in test builds of the Windows 11 operating system in October. In other words: do not expect the feature to hit stable Windows 11 PCs before 2025 at the earliest.

While Recall may have sounded great on paper and on work-related PCs, users and experts alike expressed concern. Users expressed fears that malware could steal Recall data to know exactly what they did in the past couple of months.

Others did not trust Microsoft to keep the data secure. We suggested to make Recall opt-in, instead of opt-out, to make sure that users knew what they were getting into when enabling it.

Microsoft pulled the Recall feature shortly after its announcement and published information about its future in June. There, Microsoft said that it would make Recall opt-in by default. It also wanted to improve security by enrolling in Windows Hello and other features.

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[–] dinckelman@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (6 children)

Yet another reminder that alternatives, where your privacy is not for sale, and your hardware belongs to you, actually exist in 2024

[–] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (8 children)

What do you recommend? What is the most Apple-like+MacBook like?

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 months ago

Elementary is a very polished and user friendly linux distribution designed to familiar to MacOS users.

[–] Supermariofan67@programming.dev 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)
[–] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (5 children)
[–] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

If you want "Apple-like" look and feel, KDE Neon, Ubuntu, or Pop_OS! are good first Linux distros to start with.

[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 0 points 3 months ago

Linux distro of your choice

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[–] billiam0202@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

Zorin is a Ubuntu-derived distro that has multiple desktop managers built in, including one that mimics macOS.

[–] areyouevenreal@lemm.ee 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

A lot of the laptops made by Huawei and Xiaomi are MacBook-like in design at least. Framework is much more repairable though as are business laptops from HP or Dell. Dell in particular has made some quite long battery life laptops in the past like the Latitude 7410 and 7400, though those aren't particularly new they are at least cheap when bought second hand.

In terms of OS you got to go with some Linux flavor as they offer various DEs some of which are mac like. Obviously macOS and Linux terminals are somewhat similar anyway. PopOS is a great option.

[–] dinckelman@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I would not, in good conscience, ever recommend a Dell machine to anyone anymore. Not only the design and build quality have gone down catastrophically, but Dell would take literally every opportunity they have to fuck you over.

XPS machines in particular have a solid history of being good on paper, but a nightmare, once you ever need to contact them about issues

[–] areyouevenreal@lemm.ee 0 points 3 months ago

XPS aren't business machines, just premium consumer machines. They aren't built to the same standard, as would honestly be expected given they cost less. I've had my own bad experiences with an XPS laptop and wouldn't buy one again. Too many compromises in the name of being thin and lightweight.

To be honest I was more suggesting second hand machines where warranty from the OEM isn't really a consideration.

I think you will find most OEMs don't really care about customer support unless you are a business. HP, Asus, and friends all have their own horror stories. There are only a few companies like Framework I actually trust.

[–] mrvictory1@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Ubuntu or Pop OS use GNOME by default which is similar to macOS

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[–] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 0 points 3 months ago (3 children)

it's for corporations to deploy on all their worker drones' workstations

[–] Boozilla@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I wish they would do a much better job of distinguishing corporate workstation versions of Windows and Home versions of Windows. Put all this MS ecosystem garbage on the workstation version, and make the Home version a stripped down to the essentials OS. Which is what most of us try to do with tools like ShutUp10, anyway.

[–] mesamunefire@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

I get ads on my workstation. Its fun. I cant remove them without getting permission from the IT department. Meanwhile my home computers have no ads at all.

[–] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

i'll do you one better: all PCs at my job are running win10 LTSC, which was meant for specific use cases like running neon signs and shit

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[–] dinckelman@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

Ironically, in reality it's the exact opposite. The home version is pumped to the brim with this dogshit, while the Enterprise version is stripped to the bare necessities. They likely know that other corporations have the balls to sue them for all kinds of reasons

[–] GenXLiberal@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Agreed - if I were evil, I would use this data to look for long periods of static/unchanging desktop screenshots to look for inactivity and employees lying about being there or away.

Honestly this is just an arms race. If the above happens (and if I can come up with that use case think about what will come up when someone actually smart thinks about it.)

The response? I’d make a tool that presses alt-tab every 15 seconds a random number of times - to both keep the computer alive and change the desktop view, maybe move the windows around a bit for variety. A usb rubber ducky would be perfect for this.

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[–] SzethFriendOfNimi@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

How long before there’s a discovery request for all recall data for a time period and companies start screaming about the risks with recall?

[–] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

companies start screaming about the risks with recall?

this comment veers pretty close to implying that upper and middle management know a single goddamn thing about tech or cybersecurity OR that they listen to their IT guys

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[–] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Of course it is coming back.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 0 points 3 months ago

It will keep coming until plebs accept parasite.

[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 0 points 3 months ago

Their feature may come back to their OS but their OS isn’t coming back to my hardware.

[–] Boozilla@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

MS: Here's a cool new feature!
Users: That is spyware bullshit, fuck off!
MS: But muh ecosystem!
Users: Nobody fucking wants any of that. Now STFU and run my games, grandpa.
MS: sniffs This isn't over, you little shits.

[–] conciselyverbose@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Who thought they were abandoning it?

I doubt they secured it particularly well either, because the nature of proper security is building it from the ground up with security as a core principle, but it was always coming back.

They delayed because "oh shit, people noticed we didn't even bother with security theater" and to let the backlash die down. They still consider it a major selling point.

[–] stankmut@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

By the comments I've seen, it seems like no one read their previous announcement where they said they were delaying the feature while they continued work on it. We already knew they were still going to ship it.

Just having it disabled by default is a massive improvement. It's crazy that they initially considered releasing it with no encryption and it on by default.

[–] conciselyverbose@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 months ago

It's less bad for sure. And I can understand, theoretically, the value of "that one think I saw that one time". I've definitely spent way longer than I'd want looking for some random reference I'd seen in the past, and I'm in the process of trying to catalogue all the references in my past nonfiction reading after the fact, and it's definitely a lot of work.

But man, other users on your PC could trivially see everything you did on your system unless you used the dumpster fire that's edge in private browsing mode, and the people on the project thought that was OK. There's no way people with that level of lack of awareness managed to adapt the project to not be a sieve.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 0 points 3 months ago

They did abandon it but it backed itself up

[–] Blisterexe@lemmy.zip 0 points 3 months ago (6 children)

Thing is, it BARELY changes performance

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[–] veeesix@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Since Recall is constantly watching what you do, is it plausible that it could summarize and quantify for an employer how much work is being done on the machine during work hours?

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[–] spread@programming.dev 0 points 3 months ago

The tendency of the rate of profit to fall is here again. They really do need to squeeze those dollars out

[–] ulkesh@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (3 children)

They never said they were doing away with it. It's a feature literally no one asked for, it's insecure, it's invasive, a privacy nightmare any way you look at it.

And people who willingly use it will deserve all the shit that it is. And meanwhile, I'll be enjoying my privacy-respecting Linux operating system.

[–] PhreakyByNature@feddit.uk 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I am keeping Win 10 until I can't safely anymore then Linux may be my next stop. Been looking at CachyOS for gaming.

[–] Blisterexe@lemmy.zip 0 points 3 months ago (10 children)
[–] Defaced@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

I also would love to know why cachy

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[–] ulkesh@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

My gaming Linux of choice right now is Garuda.

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[–] plumbercraic@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 3 months ago

I can see the use case, and that some people might find this useful (not to mention many agencies and ad companies). But enough was enough, for me at least. Linux Mint rocks. Can't see myself going back to Windows.

[–] Assman@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 months ago

Another day I'm thankful I don't work for a company that uses microshit anymore

[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I'm glad I don't use Winbloat

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[–] yessikg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 3 months ago (18 children)

Finished migrating to Linux right on time

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