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[–] menemen@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (4 children)

They are expensive in Europe as well, but most European countries socialize these costs.

[–] yetAnotherUser@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 3 months ago

That looks like a single-bed hospital room. Depending on the country, they are expensive in Europe too because insurance only covers the bare minimum. Here in Germany you'll always be sharing the room with 2 - 8 other people, even if they have an infectious disease. You'll only get a single-bed room by paying like 200€ per day, by being immunocompromised or by having a very infectious disease.

[–] Obi@sopuli.xyz 0 points 3 months ago

Still not nearly as expensive though, prices in the US are artificially inflated through collusion, while prices in the EU are kept down via the huge bargaining power countries have when negotiating under a unified front.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

They are expensive in Europe

The major difference between European health care and American health care is that Europeans receive care closer to At-Cost than their American counterparts, who demand enormous overhead and profit. A band-aid in an American hospital can bill for $50. An IV can run you $1000. These enormous fees have nothing to do with the kind or quality of care (you can find price gouging in the dingiest rat-hole ERs right alongside Mayo Clinics). They're set by the hospitals because patients have no bargaining power, while state agencies have enormous latitude in setting flat rates.

That's also a big reason why American hospitals hate Medicaid patients (but love Medicare payments). Medicaid has a much tighter fee schedule than Medicare, so you can bill for more and at higher rates. Hospital admins in the states will argue they can't turn a profit on Medicaid (highly dubious, since "profit" for the office includes covering the inflated borrowing, real estate, and administrative costs the facility has to absorb). Meanwhile, whole practices exist to serve Medicare patients.

When countries, like the UK and Germany, begin outsourcing and privatizing their medical procedures, the prices rise to whatever limit the state is able to absorb. UK's current NHS cost crisis is being driven largely by the exploding cost of privatized and outsourced procedures, combined with an aging population that has elevated demands. That's where you see the most expensive health care in Europe.

By contrast, state hospitals in Italy and Norway are dirt cheap to operate when they're not on the hook for these extortionary private costs. Suddenly you're not getting charged $150 for an aspirin and caring for a baby in the NICU doesn't cost half a milly. The state budget isn't getting broken over the back of privatized profit-seeking care.

[–] EnderMB@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

Isn't that incorrect? The costs incurred by the NHS in the UK are much lower than what a hospital would spend in the US, especially on drugs, where there is a single market with limited customers.

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I'm sorry but I need to inform you that the bed is not comfy.

[–] AnnaFrankfurter@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] altima_neo@lemmy.zip 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

It's definitely not very comfy

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 0 points 3 months ago

And the view sucks, too.

[–] 4oreman@lemy.lol 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

You don't have to pay if you die tho.

[–] AnnaFrankfurter@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

That's not true. In here they will hold your dead body as an hostage until someone clears the bill.

[–] RidderSport@feddit.org 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Let then then, it's nice and cool in the morgue and with some luck you can become an undead

[–] vfreire85@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 months ago

undead undead undead

[–] Kacarott@aussie.zone 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

To be fair, this applies to any bed

[–] Deestan@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

My new political platform will be like Fascism but built on demonizing the dead instead of living minorities. They are easy targets. Buncha freeloaders.

[–] vfreire85@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 months ago

i'm all for it. let's build concentration camps in the astral plane and lead these untergeister to their second deaths!

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

Most chairs, as well!

[–] meatlotion@mas.erb.pw 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

@Jezebelley I wanna go stay in that place in Norway, that looks lush!

[–] Jezebelley@fedia.io 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] meatlotion@mas.erb.pw 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] Zink@programming.dev 0 points 3 months ago

It doesn’t even need to be overnight! I’m currently sitting in a recliner in an infusion/cancer center because I am on a medication that’s given through IV every month. My insurance is going to pay a 5 figure sum for me to chill in this chair for about 90 minutes.

I’m a software engineer and the actual dollars paid monthly/yearly (not the fake high “retail” cost) are something like 2x my gross income.

[–] Thcdenton@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

10 days for smashed leg. Still waiting for that bill💀

[–] PMFL@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

Sad but so true! 😦

[–] Xephonian@retrolemmy.com 0 points 3 months ago

At least the bed is available now. In Canada they'd make you wait 6mo while telling you to kill yourself in the meantime.

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I bought a home version of one for my mom in her final years. Doesnt look like a hospital bed but works like one. It was slightly less than $800 for a queen size with a 14in thick memoryfoam mattress. Today it would probaby cost 2gs

[–] BruceTwarzen@lemm.ee 0 points 3 months ago

Or 300 from alibaba

[–] Catsrules@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 months ago

Hold up, I never got a toy bunny. I got scammed.

[–] megabat@lemm.ee 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Funny thing. Some of my Norwegian family came to the US for healthcare they couldn't get in Norway. I believe it was some type of heart surgery one time and and I can't remember the other. So while it is expensive and out of pocket you can actually get that surgery when you need it.

[–] boogetyboo@aussie.zone 0 points 3 months ago

Sounds like it was a specialist surgery that Norway's smaller population doesn't accommodate. Hardly an indication that other countries are flocking to the US for their on demand healthcare.

[–] Obnomus@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Another day thnaking god cause I'm not in the usa

[–] DJKJuicy@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 months ago

Is the Italian place a lamp store?