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[–] Shadywack@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Cool, let all the dumb fuck time vampires suffer. I won't be helping anyone with shit. "Shoulda bought a Mac"

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Well, you probably can't anyway. Your (l)users are not going to have their BitLocker keys, and it's virtually guaranteed they won't even know what that is. So it's a total wipe and reinstall for you, my friend.

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[–] LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Can't wait to get a million tickets about this. -_-

[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

If you're getting tickets, I assume you mean at work? What's a business doing running Home and no Domain? This isn't an issue on machines joined to a domain.

[–] LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

I work at an MSP, so we have clients who refuse to pay money to have good tech. Plenty of them have no domain, use Home, and just cheap out and then get mad when they have constant issues. We try to tell them to buy better shit, but they don't wanna hear it. 🤷‍♀️

[–] freeman@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 months ago

Rofl.

The vast majority of small business do run on Home have no clue wtf a domain is. Probably share files via google drive rather than a file server.

[–] riskable@programming.dev 0 points 5 months ago

Tom’s Hardware tested this software version of BitLocker last year and found it could slow drives by up to 45 percent.

WTF‽ In Linux full disk encryption overhead is minimal:

While in pure I/O benchmarks like FIO there is an obvious impact to full disk encryption and other synthetic workloads, across the real-world benchmarks the performance impact of running under full disk encryption tended to be minimal

https://www.phoronix.com/review/hp-devone-encrypt/5

There's like five million ways you can use disk encryption on Linux though and not all of them are very performant. So keep that in mind if you see other benchmarks showing awful performance (use the settings Phoronox used).

I suspect Microsoft made some poor decisions in regards to disk encryption (probably because of bullshit/insecure-by-design FIPS compliance) and now they're stuck with them.

[–] jeena@piefed.jeena.net 0 points 5 months ago (7 children)

Perfect, this will finally lock out all the old people of their devices because they forget their bitlocker password :D

[–] 30p87@feddit.org 0 points 5 months ago (15 children)

I guess they'll use TPM. I'm so excited to tell half of my "clients" (all seniors in the village) that they are fucked because their Laptop died.

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[–] NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

Then somebody can sell new devices to them and M$ can sell new windows with it.

Win-win-win-win....

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[–] zecg@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

This will make people angry in waves as updates break bitlocker and cohorts don't have their key, a new one each time

[–] hal_5700X@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Do the average Windows user really need BitLocker device encryption? They don't. The only users who need BitLocker are business' and government workers.

Also 99% of Windows users are going to get locked out of their computers.

[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Everyone needs drive encryption.

And no, 99% of Windows users aren't going to get locked out.

99% of Windows boxes are business boxes, which already are encrypted (and if they aren't, that's some bad IT).

This really only affects Home users, who don't enable encryption because they don't know any better. I have no doubt we'll see quite a few people have issues because they lose their key and can't recover their data. This is why MS should provide clear directions during setup about storing the key. Instead they're going to keep it in people's OneDrive/365 account. Such a bad idea. Now I've gotta write documentation for friends and family about what NOT to do during setup.

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[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 0 points 5 months ago

This has been happening for a lot longer than just Windows 11.

Several people I've spoken to, who have purchased OEM computers from the likes of Dell, HP, Lenovo and others, did not know that bitlocker FDE was enabled, and they were not aware that they needed to back up their recovery key.

On at least one occasion, this caused someone to lose the contents of their laptop when Windows failed to finish booting into the OS. The drive was fine as far as I could tell, but the content on the drive would not complete the boot up sequence and would bsod/boot loop the system, so data retrieval was not possible without the recovery key, which they did not have. That was a Windows 10 Dell system from 2020 or so.

My opinion is that FDE is a good thing.

My advice is if you have FDE enabled, backup your recovery keys. It's easy, but it won't directly save to a file on the filesystem that's locked by the key to which the recovery key applies. The easiest workaround is to "print" it, then use the built in Microsoft print to PDF, then dump it wherever you want. Afterwards, put it somewhere safe. Doesn't matter where, but anywhere that isn't the encrypted drive. Maybe Google drive, maybe a USB flash drive, maybe email it to yourself. I dunno, just somewhere you can retrieve if that system isn't working.

When you're done doing that, go check the same on your parents computers, friends, brothers and sisters..... If they're someone you care about, and they have a windows computer, check. Get those recovery keys backed up somewhere.

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