Well I started on kbin.social, migrated to kbin.run…
Are there any other servers anyone would like me to ruin?
this post was submitted on 13 Aug 2024
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How do you feel about stomaching 4chan for a few weeks?
Not even for the betterment of humanity would I dare venture into such places…
lemmygrad.ml, hexbear.net, truthsocial.com, x.com, etc
You could try fedia.io if you prefer the Kbin/Mbin interface over Lemmy
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Well, it could be you, or it could be me, as I've hit the same waypoints.
fedia.io wasn't taking sign-ups at the time I went to kbin.run, but they are right now, so that's where I've ended up this time.
If this one dies too, I guess I'll take the jinx with me back to Reddit and see what happens there.
I mean I am running thebrainbin.org and gehirneimer.de and they will not go anywhere, pinky promise
Thank you for the service, good sir.
My home instance was kbin.run, and when I found debounced (its admin) was an Mbin maintainer/contributor it made me feel good about the lifespan of the instance. Now I don't feel so good… if they dipped without any warning, so can you.
And they did this a few weeks after they put up a "how is my driving?" check-in post about how users felt about their server running, and I said it was going well… pretty sure I also said something about being grateful they were long-running, and talked on other places on the Fediverse about how reliable kbin.run was… all signs pointed to the instance having longevity.
Wonder if they just got hacked or something, because it really was out of nowhere, with no warning signs like Ernest had.
Kind of upset because I don't mind hopping accounts, but I had a magazine there, !otomegames@kbin.run. I had just started it new a few weeks ago, moving from its longer-lived iteration on kbin.social because I was unaware kbin.social was down. And now if debounced does not come back I'll have to make yet another new version of the community. Does not set a good precedent, "will I have to put up with constant new versions to follow this community?" The most appropriate place would be ani.social but I'd also probably have to make yet another Lemmy alt to mod it properly—things like reports do not seem to federate properly unless your account is on the same instance as the community you mod. And I really do not want to give Lemmy more users at the expense of Mbin. Lemmy is already the big guy, and we want more diversity on the Fediverse. So I can probably just remake it on whatever Mbin instance I end up on.
I can absolutely understand that. I was very surprised as well as I stated often 😅 I can only tell you that I've been running my mastodon server a little longer and I commit to the mastodon server covenant (I think that is what its called). But if you have any doubts you should join fedia.io. Jerry has been a reliable admin for years and years (of all kinds of services)
Sorry, I realized my message came off as an attack. Did not mean it that way.
I'll probably not do that because I would much rather support smaller instances and fedia.io is big for Mbin. I'll probably go with you and hope you do not do a debounced. (The only reason I have a .world is because I needed it to effectively mod the preexisting community !bunnies@lemmy.world whose original mod disappeared for about a year before I asked to take over.)
Thanks man. I can completely understand frustration in that regard though (even if you didn't mean it that way) :)
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8chan/8kun or whatever it‘s calling itself this year
fedia.io , its an mbin which is a branch from kbin
Kbin.run was running mbin too
Yea in fact kbin.run was run by debounced. A very beloved mbin maintainer, if I say so myself.
I've had the same path; started out on .social, then moved to .run. Now I'm on fedia.io wondering when I'll have to scout out a fourth.
I highly doubt that Jerry will let you down 😁
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Ok. I have to ask: how many instances will have to go down before the majority of you drop the "you can always hop around to the next one" mentality and start thinking about ways to make the whole ecosystem more mature and professional?
Somebody should consider building a fork that works of bluesky's content addressing scheme, that way communities can effectively be re-homed in full even if the server dies
Is there a solution to make the whole ecosystem mature and professional?
Certainly having everyone on one instance isn't the way to go.
We could have a constellation of smaller service providers, like we do for email nowadays. Everyone talks about Gmail+Outlook having 80% of the market, but we all forget that the tail still exists and that is made of hundreds of independent companies which make a healthy living charging $20-$50/year.
And what's stopping that from happening now?
I assumed, perhaps incorrectly, that servers die because they are difficult to maintain. This is perhaps especially true for kbin/mbin based servers.
I suppose for enough money some might be willing to maintain, but I'm not sure it's that simple.
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Yikes. Always sad / concerning to see an instance (and its admins) just drop off the map w/o warning.
The GH and Matrix accounts disappearing is also telling. The DNS record for kbin.run is no longer found at all, so that indicates the owner deliberately deleted it rather than just shutting off the servers. Had the Github account remained active, I'd suspect something more benign like issues with their registrar,. But with the GH account deleting too, I'm leaning toward some kind of intentional scuttle (don't want to even speculate on why since there's nowhere near sufficient information to even guess).
Not sure what their Matrix handle/homeserver was, but if they hosted it under the same domain, it would make sense for that to disappear too if there were registrar issues. Again, the GH deletion seems to be the telling factor.
Amusingly, this comment from Elevator7009 one week ago seems to have aged like milk: https://lemmy.world/post/18248042 (LW link since the canonical kbin.run one won't work, obv).
Not only did he deleted the domain (records) and his github account. But also I can't find his sponsor pages anymore on buymeacoffee.com or patreon. Meaning he removed everything.
Yeah, I was a member (the only one?) on patreon and all evidence of my membership has vanished. I'm starting to think that self-hosting might be the only real way forward for stability, but I don't know how to replicate the /all/ experience without a swarm of users and their subscriptions adding to my own.
I would not recommend single user instances in the threadiverse, they just need too many resources just to start out... There are other options available and if you do not trust the people "only" running their servers for 2 years like me and debojnced previously then go to fedia.io their admin has been actively hosting fediverse services for a lot longer
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It's showing indeed the limitations of the activitypub protocol. I'm promoting decentralization, so feel free to run your own instance. Just know that it will take some time, effort and most likely some money.
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matrix was on matrix.org. Though I doubt it is an intentional takeoff I had a conversation with them just yesterday and there weren't any signs of any of that....
Ah, okay. I looked at their profile, but it didn't list a Matrix username (or at least, that didn't federate to me if there was one).
I'm trying very hard not to speculate (and hoping an explanation eventually comes to light), but it's just weird and concerning to see someone (and their instance) just drop off the map like that.
Yeah, though I am rather worrying than speculating tbh. We both worked on mbin and I liked working with them. So I am just super duper confused 😅 And they were active on GitHub in the last days (and yesterday) so yeah... Dunno
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Why do Kbin admins keep disappearing under weird circumstances? Is Kbin made with black voodoo magic? Do cenobites come out of the server box and take them to hell?
It's because coding in PHP makes you want to leave for a tropical beach and never come back to the nightmare.
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It's indeed very sad news. And I'm very sad to see debounced go away like this. I always get along well with him. And I don't know why he's gone so suddenly. 😭
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Kbin consumes another admin :/
Getting sus tbh
Oof. Worst way to go. I mean, doing so for personal accounts is fine but that's a lot of collateral in form of the users there. People always say to spread out over instances, but then shit like this happens. Most users don't want to run from one instance to another because the admins decided to stop (or due to other issues with them).
I guess that explains the 500s here on Fedia?
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Yup, just moved from there to fedia now. Kbins spirit affects all
Safe haven on kbin.earth...landed on.the perfect spot. Insignificant but a cozy planet among the fediverse.
@Blaze@sopuli.xyz A sad thing is, that even if MBin had account migration implemented, it wouldn't really help, as it just got down without a notice or a warning
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Well damn, another kbin is down.
Oh, I created an account there two days ago.
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