AI will save anything! Except the stock market.
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The maze doesn't go anywhere and the red line circles back on itself
Symbolizes the rollout of large language models and the principal “garbage in, garbage out”.
It's also anything but the most efficient route for doing so. Like Abe Simpson toured the building before returning back to the hat stand and it the door.
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Elon says, we have another AI.
AI says, we have yet another "Elon says" post.
Additionally, Musk announced a full self driving robot driver to make the robotaxis look more authentic
it'll be here in ~~september~~ ~~december~~ ~~next may~~ ~~a year from now~~ soon
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Tesla has always been an AI company. They've had tons of machine learning going on in their cars basically as long a they've existed. What exactly is changing? Are they going to start trying to use generative models like GPTs in their cars?
We have always been at war with Eurasia.
“We are a car company we sell cars. We have machine learning for self driving”
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“We are an AI company”.
It hasn’t always been an AI company. They are an automotive company suddenly shifting gears
I guess if you think AI and car are mutually exclusive. I would have described Tesla as an AI car company.
What AI products, except their broken self driving feature, does tesla sell?
Is every other manufacturer of cars with any self driving type functionality now an “AI” company to you?
Tesla has always invested heavily in their software. Just because it has always been shitty doesn't diminish that it was an outsized part of their business model, especially compared to other car companies
TIL the company I work at is an AI company since we develop software
Do they develop ML software, models, or algorithms?
by your own definition (implements custom ML), BMW, AUDI, etc are all now AI companies. as well has thousands of analytic firms.
a ceo is hyping a tool, and its not even fucking AI.
If a company invests a large chunk of its money in tech, particularly tech R&D, I'd describe it as a tech company. I don't view that term as mutually exclusive with other things such as automotive manufacturing. To me this is as silly as someone saying "Apple is a phone manufacturer company, not a tech company" or "Amazon is a cloud service provider, not a video streaming company". Companies can be more than one thing.
Again, none of what I'm saying is predicated on that tech being any good. I am well aware Tesla's software is often dogshit. I'm just talking in terms of where they direct their efforts.
If Musk said the sky is blue, and you agreed with that on Lemmy, then you'd be downvoted.
You could do that. But you'd be in the minority of people when you do, and it makes it very hard to communicate when two people are in disagreement in terms.
It doesn't make it hard to communicate if they've clarified their meaning multiple times, unless the other people are intentionally not understanding what they say.
always invested heavily in their software
So wait, are you now saying they are a technology company? Can you please try and keep your mental gymnastics consistent?
Are you implying all car manufacturers are now AI or Technology companies? And are no longer automotive manufacturers?
exactly. if you own a hammer, youre a construction firm, apparently.
Why must tech company and car company be mutually exclusive? Certainly the amount of technology (including ML) present in cars has increased exponentially in the last decade.
Because they do not produce and sell independent AI technology
I suppose I define AI company differently than you do. In my mind if a company is investing a large chunk of its operations in developing AI, it is an AI company.
By your logic tesla is also a logistics company (shipping cars), an industrial manufacturer of plant machinery (the machines to build the cars), a battery company (buying and investing in battery technology).
what do you call tesla? “An automotive, AI, logistics, industrial plant manufacturing, battery company”?
I would absolutely call Tesla a battery company. Would you not? They've invested a huge amount in battery R&D and sell them direct to consumers as well as use them in their cars. The rest of that stuff isn't something they invested heavily in developing, ie. they didn't invest R&D in developing new logistics technology for shipping cars.
Any company that invests money into something is suddenly also part of that entire industry and they can label themselves whatever they please. Gotcha.
The supermarket I used to work for is now a software company, as they build software in house
The insurance company I used to work for is now an AI company, as we internally developed and used machine learning models.
The supermarket I used to work for is now a software company, as they build software in house
What % of that supermarket's operating expenses is software development? How big is their technology division compared to the full scale of the company? Do they invest R&D in developing novel technologies?
There are articles every day on Lemmy about how cars are becoming as high tech as smartphones. Is it so wrong to suggest that car companies are becoming a subset of tech companies?
Car companies becoming a subset of tech companies
A subset of
There we go! A huge comment chain later and it seems you are starting to get it. A subset of an automotive company is becoming more like a technology company.
Its still an automotive company.
Again, I personally don't view these things as mutually exclusive. It's a tech company and a car company. What's so crazy about that? Apple is a phone manufacturing company and a software company. Amazon is a cloud provider, a video streaming company, a shipping and logistics company, and an online storefront. Companies can be more than one thing.
Also "subset" means a member of. If X is a subset of Y, then X is a member of Y. It would not be incorrect to say, "the list of Y includes X"
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Ugh you guys can be so deliberately obtuse. Yes, if a company makes revenue from an AI offering, and spends a significant amount of their money developing that AI offering then yes, it can be considered an AI company. Just because the feature is stupid or dangerous doesn’t invalidate that accounting.
Enjoy a little nuance from time to time.
What? you entirely missed the point. you are adding nuance where none is required.
Tesla is a car company. Just because musk says “we are AI now” doesn’t just magically make it so.
I could form a company that makes shoes. Can I suddenly announce I am an AI company?
Sure, maybe I use AI in my production, and maybe even develop my own models.
But its still a shoe company.
Wow, if only something can be two things at once! But no, that’s impossible!
Musk is saying it is one thing, not two things.
Which is exactly what my question that started this thread was about. I was asking what exactly it means for him to make this statement when they are already heavily invested in AI development.
It is Musk saying that the company is changing focus away from making cars.
You know, the reason the company exists.
McDonald's makes most of its money on real estate, not food. If the CEO said 'we are a real estate company now' everyone would assume that the food quality will go down.
Fantastic reply. 10/10. Really adds to the discussion.
I hope the rest of your day is as lovely as your personality
For the most part what kind of company you are is what kind of product you're selling or making money off of.
So you could contend that Tesla is a battery company or a car company feasibly. Nobody ahead of the AI bubble would have mentioned Tesla and artificial intelligence in the same category.
Besides, if it's what he makes money selling Tesla is a tax credit company.
So you could contend that Tesla is a battery company or a car company feasibly. Nobody ahead of the AI bubble would have mentioned Tesla and artificial intelligence in the same category.
Nobody really thought of AI as an independently marketable product before the AI bubble though. And many "AI companies" now have some kind of hardware product they are attaching their AI offering to. I'd circle back to the Apple example. They are a tech company and a phone company, but they also have Siri. That probably required a significant amount of R&D behind the scenes. Maybe we wouldn't call them an AI company in the same sense as OpenAI, but they've probably been selling an AI assistant as a feature in their products for longer than OpenAI has been selling ChatGPT.
Besides, if it's what he makes money selling Tesla is a tax credit company.
Lol that's funny. I'd wholeheartedly agree with that assessment. But in my mind it's more about where the operating budget goes, not where the revenue comes from.
By this logic, any car company with any advanced driving aids are "AI" companies, and therefore the likes of VW, Toyota, Honda, Mercedes, BMW, Hyundai, Jaguar, etc aren't actually car companies.
Come off it. They're car companies. It's just that one of their car's features is some function that relies on machine learning.
You may as well call Ford a cup holder company by this logic - after all, they've had cup holders for so long now!
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To reply to your edit.
You can mentally categorise whatever you like into whatever you want. It doesn’t mean anyone else will agree with you, or even understand what you’re saying. You have the right to express your categorisation. But don’t whinge and whine when no one else agrees with it.
Who's whinging and whining? I'm just explaining my reasoning. I actually am fascinated by the discussion that's developed here. I'm amazed at how upset people are getting about this. I made the above comment as a genuine question about what exactly is meant to change about Tesla following this statement from Elon. Like what exactly it means that he's acknowledged his company is heavily invested in AI development. I never would have guessed the semantics would be so controversial as to give me maybe my most heavily downvoted comment ever.
People are saying I'm using mental gymnastics, logical fallacies, bringing up completely irrelevant examples including Amber Heard and 1984 for some reason (???). People just love to find any reason to get outraged I guess.
Maybe people interpret any comment in a thread about Tesla as supportive if it doesn't begin with a virtue signalling "Fuck Elon" (which TBF, I agree with. Fuck that guy. But I don't really think it needed to be said for my comment)
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There are no AI companies until anyone can demonstrate actual intelligence. LLMs are not intelligent. Self-driving car systems are not intelligent. Machine learning is not intelligence.
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For them to be an AI company, they first have to sell self driving and not a pipe dream.
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As plausible as removing an image from the internet forever
MySpace enters the chat and loses more that 1/2 of their photo storage
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or like from 6 years ago when elon replied to someone saying tesla was emphatically pro lgbt and if you didn't like that, go elsewhere.
ITT: bionicjoey from lemmy.ca demonstrates the informal fallacy multiple ways
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