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[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 4 points 2 months ago

The Democrats care about not alienating you (if you're a corporate or ultra -wealthy entity).

[–] Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz 4 points 2 months ago (6 children)

Alternatively, they could vote for Trump who has already stated his desire to increase all bans on Muslim immigrants. How long before his racist leadership tries to outright deport all Muslim citizens for not being "white enough"?

[–] PanArab@lemmy.ml 31 points 2 months ago (14 children)
[–] Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz 5 points 2 months ago (5 children)

I mean at this point Shapiro isn't even a presumptive nominee, he's just one of the possible candidates. I think the only reason he's even being considered is because he might bring in some extra votes in a large swing State.

It's odd to me that so many Arab voters are leaning towards Stein. As much as we hate it, this is still a two-party nation, and in an election where the votes might be close why would you take any chances in basically throwing away your vote? Personally I would still cast my ballot for the candidate who hasn't directly threatened my family. Then again polls are not ballots, and as we get closer to November a lot of people's opinions could still change.

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 28 points 2 months ago (8 children)

It's worth considering that maybe Arab and Muslim voters aren't stupid and they have a point. If we assume that both parties really want to win (and with Dems that is definitely an if), then the worst thing you can do to persuade them to listen to you is to vow to vote for them unconditionally. If the constituency keeps approving a genocide and the genocide remains profitable, why ever would the Dems offer an anti-genocide candidate? Conversely, if hardline opposition to the genocide loses the Dems an election, suddenly next time around their pro-genocide ghouls aren't "electable" and they need to actually pick someone who will give the people some of what they want, almost like there's a popular mandate or something!

All of this is giving a thousand times more credence to liberal democracy in general and America's in particular than I actually have, but there are many ways of thinking beyond "Well, what are you going to do about the two party monopoly?", most of which involve thinking past a single election cycle.

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[–] brainw0rms@hexbear.net 22 points 2 months ago

You're so right homie, Arab Americans just need to suck it up and vote for genocide and 99% fascism, or else it'll be entirely their fault when we end up with genocide and 100% fascism. They wouldn't want that on their conscience, would they? So true!

Die.

[–] PanArab@lemmy.ml 22 points 2 months ago (8 children)

The fact that he is even likely is insulting.

If Democrats want Arab and Muslim votes maybe they shouldn't even consider someone who volunteers to kill Palestinians and calls them savages as VP?

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[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 months ago (10 children)

Why are all the Arabs doing the right thing? Don't they understand they are supposed to do the wrong thing?

If all other people joined the Arabs there would be no more two party system.

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[–] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

He is absolutely going to be the nominee.

[–] Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I really hope not, there are certainly better candidates on her short-list... but unfortunately we don't really have a say in that part. Guess we'll find out in a couple of weeks, at least she's announced her candidates early enough that the shit can hit the fan on the internet and give her a heads-up about certain choices being wildly unpopular.

[–] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Oh I hope not too. But Netanyahu talks and the Democratic party listens.

[–] Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz 1 points 2 months ago

Unfortunately both parties listen to him. It's all rather disgusting.

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[–] Kumikommunism@hexbear.net 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Why would they vote for Harris, who has already stated her desire to support Israel's genocide and ethnostate? How long before her racist leadership tries to outright deport all Muslim citizens for being "too anti-semitic"?

[–] Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Now you're just trying to impress Republican policies onto Democrats. Democrats accept immigrants and welcome the diversity into our country, Republicans just want to deport everyone who isn't a "true white American".

[–] Kumikommunism@hexbear.net 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)
[–] Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Your first link actually seems to highlight the problem perfectly... Republicans complain all day long about Immigrants being the cause of all their problems, but then they turn around and tank their own bill because it would look bad if immigration problems dropped during Biden's term. Amazing how you've got more illegal crossings when there's nobody there actually watching for people. What would happen if Republicans stopped blocking everything Democrats support for the sole reason being that the Dems supported it? What would happen if they started trying to work for the Americans they claim to represent? I'm not saying Dems don't do a little bit of that too, but at least they try to work across the isles to get things done. Lately the only contribution Republicans have made is to block everything that might help Americans, and might help the immigration issue, and they haven't actually passed a damned thing that is helpful to anyone.

[–] Kumikommunism@hexbear.net 11 points 2 months ago

Uh, nice attempted topic change there. Guess you are just going to ignore that the Democrats are even more anti-immigrant than Trump is because it doesn't fit your narrative.

I can't believe you're bragging about the Republicans not pushing an anti-immigrant bill. Truly sick stuff for someone who was pretending to care about racism from Republicans.

Biden and Harris have both promised and delivered on being more racist than Trump, who is already incredibly racist. You don't dislike racism. You dislike it when Red Team does it.

[–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 11 points 2 months ago

They could also just stay home thonk

[–] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 6 points 2 months ago

Democrats are genociding Muslims rights now

[–] matcha_addict@lemy.lol 2 points 2 months ago

Probably just as long as the Democratic candidates. They have the track record.

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