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There are also useful idiots.
Very true.
See: Republican nominee
The very simple fact is : if you find yourself on the same side as Russian bots and don't find it so disturbing that you immediately change your position, you can't claim any high moral ground use that to lecture other people. You are effectively a Russian bot.
Except the Russian misinformation strategy is literally to take both sides on all issues, it's just about amplifying existing misinformation/discontent/division, which is more effective than only pushing one angle.
Most Russian bots are pretty straightforward.
You don't need advanced social strategies to influence dumb people.
if you find yourself on the same side as Russian bots and don't find it so disturbing that you immediately change your position
As mentioned by another commenter, the actual strategy of the real Russian government is to sow division by advocating a bunch of positions, so a particular position being presented by Russian trolls absolutely does not warrant immediately changing my position. Your position is not special in that regard.
But more generally, I'm not going to change my position on anything solely because someone awful agrees with it.
And even more generally, I don't care about unifying people under the political agenda of any existing government or political party. I want to see people unified about organizing themselves. To that end, letting one of the existing political parties, including yours, dictate our political will to us goes against the goal of people organizing themselves.
you can't claim any high moral ground use that to lecture other people.
I do not claim nor need the moral high ground to present my opinions. Same goes for everyone else.
So basically what you are saying is : Russian bots aren't all that bad 🤣
Russian bots aren't all that bad
Yes, in two senses:
- I don't lose sleep at night knowing that these bots exist (or those of any other government). They shouldn't exist for the simple reason that public institutions shouldn't be in the business of deceiving people, but unfortunately, deceiving the public is a bunch of what the State actually fucking does "for" "us". I especially don't think the Russian government cares to run bots/trolls on our little corner of the internet when bigger targets exist.
- Vacuously, I don't disagree with literally everything that the Russian bots say because they can be found saying just about anything.
I cannot stress enough that I do NOT approve of state-sponsored botting or trolling of public spaces in general. However, when you see Pro-Russian or Pro-whatever opinions on the Internet, you are probably reading the words of a "useful idiot" or non-State troll.
This reality is a lot scarier than if the opinions were all just from some Russian troll farm, because now we have to interrogate the reality that these people have different and complex reasons for why they ended up with those opinions. It means that the task of persuasion is a lot more complicated than just shielding people from bots and trolls.
I don't think most people even consider that an opinion, to not vote...
Then most people would be unaware of the vast history of non-voting in anarchist and revolutionary socialist movements.
It is a valid opinion even if you don't agree with it. Here's an accessible write-up.
Excuse me but I'm actually working for the Chinese. Although these Russian guys do make solid points.
both sides are the same
I mean, if you don't care about trans people, or gay people, or women, or unions, or having the possibility of making better choices in the future without having to resort to large scale violence then sure, they both have similar economic policies, I guess. It must be nice to not care about horrible things happening to most people. It makes it so much easier when you don't care about people, right?
It must be nice to not care about horrible things happening to most people. It makes it so much easier when you don't care about people, right?
Sadly a question you can ask Kopmala and Biden themselves about why they're not trying to earn back the people whose votes they lost given what Trump's going to do, but I guess expecting two people to change course is probably infinitely harder than the many, many people who've decided not to bother voting.
But I guess those two must be kept safe from critical questions, seeing as no one's even trying to pressure them into changing course (except of course for the protesters who most likely count among those who won't be voting). Then again Biden himself isn't all that concerned about whether or not Trump wins if we're being honest.
Sure, I totally buy that Biden and Kamala want to outlaw trans people, abortion, birth control, end unions, end democracy, and otherwise just be totally as bad as Republicans. The fact that they do bad things mean that there cannot possibly be any distinction and therefore there will be no consequences whatsoever to letting the fascists win. Roe v. Wade certainly would have still been overturned if the election in 2016 had gone the other way, too, right?
There is like zero chance you or anyone else is going to apply any pressure or even this energy to Biden and Kamala to get them to change course, is there?
Oh, I absolutely will starting in November. I'll be loud about it. For now I need to beat the fascists first though.
This is what Democrats did this year.
No shit sherlock. Still better than 2020. Is your memory really that short?
outlaw trans people
What, materially, other than nice sounding words, has Biden and federal-level Democrats in general done to counteract what is happening to trans people in red states right now? What indication is there that Democrats care to do anything for trans people on a federal level? On the state level, sure, there's been some action to make blue states sanctuary states and such, but federally?
abortion, birth control,
Again, what have Biden and the federal level Democrats done about this? Did they codify Roe while they had the chance? Did they pack the courts so Roe couldn't be overturned? Did they build abortion clinics on Federal land? Or did they just, yet again, say nice words?
end unions
Biden literally broke a strike lmao. Personally, by his own hands. One of the few proactive things he has done in his whole presidency is to actively break a strike.
end democracy
We already don't live in a democracy. Youre choice is between outright facism and pretty damn close to fascism, and in most places in the country you dont even get to contribute to that choice.
and otherwise just be totally as bad as Republicans
On forgein policy and economics? Yeah pretty much. On social issues? Democrats will say nice words but, again at least federally, not materially do anything.
Roe v. Wade certainly would have still been overturned if the election in 2016 had gone the other way, too, right?
2016 is in the past and you learned the wrong lesson from it. 2016 taught us that running a shitty milquetoast war criminal neoliberal candidate that noone other than wine moms likes against fascism (and pied pipering him as the nominee because you think you can beat him in the process btw!!!) doesn't work. And again, both Obama and Biden could have codified Roe and didn't. And Biden could have packed the courts to prevent the overturn.
All in all, electorialism won't save us. And the violent solutions you wanted to avoid in your first post are actually our only way out of this mess. But they need to be organized.
Don't you fucking dare use Trans people as a shield when dems don't give a single fuck for the safety of Trans and queen spaces. This sort of behavior is not going to ingratiate you to anyone facing oppression right now under Biden or potentially Kopmala.
For fuck sake she literally forced Trans women to be jailed with men and deliberately kept people jailed for cannabis charges after it was decriminalized. For the sake of civility fuck your smug bullshit. I would say hell of a lot meaner shit to you on hexbear.
Oh fuck you. If you think Republicans won't be even worse your a fucking moron. More likely you're just a liar trying to make excuses for you do nothing bullshit.
do nothing bullshit
advocating for voting
Like 80 percent of Americans don't even live in a competitive state, stop wasting your time cheerleading for a sham democracy
YOU don't do nothing! You'd unconditionally vote for the party committing genocide RIGHT NOW, their new candidate is not even a pivot, she's the current VP of the administration supporting genocide!
You just float along the shit river... whatever the Democrats do, you're there supporting them.
This is exactly why everything is getting more right wing.
Hah! You know a lot about me for someone on the internet who knows nothing about me. You're just making bullshit because I'm willing to participate in harm reduction so you can feel morally superior about letting people die for no other reason than that it won't save everyone.
so you can feel morally superior about letting people die
THEY ARE SUPPORTING GENOCIDE IN GAZA AND THEY KEEP THE UKRAINE MEAT GRINDER GOING
You are literally describing yourself, fuck your harm reduction
I'm not American, but US policies have a material effect on me, and I hate liberals
You think letting the guy who said Netanyahu should "Finish the Job" win will make things better? At least Biden pressured him into avoiding a full scale invasion of Rafah. They'd all be dead now if Trump were in charge. But you don't really care about Palestinians either, do you?
How's the weather in russia? Hahahaha gottem
Enjoying an ice cold Baikal Cola, the American classic
Baby brain liberal bullshit.
No matter how many times you post these shitty reddit lib memes we are not casting a vote for a genocidal piece of shit.
“we are not casting a vote for a genocidal piece of shit.”
That’d be a great sentiment if not voting was going to actually help stop the genocide.
Putin preferred Biden to Trump. Therefore a vote for Harris is a vote for Putin.
https://www.reuters.com/world/putin-says-he-prefers-more-predictable-biden-over-trump-2024-02-14/
I agree so much because as we all know you owe the Democrat Party your vote no matter what they do or how many children they murder through their Israeli proxies in Gaza
Also, Democrats can never fail, they can only be failed