Any other incumbent president had lost the election?
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Most recently, other than Trump, George HW Bush lost the election while incumbent. Prior to that it was Jimmy Carter.
The next most recent person to win the election but lose the popular vote was George W Bush, prior to that is was Harrison back in 1888.
Jimmy Carter and George H.W. Bush, off the top of my head.
Poor Jimmy, great guy
He could have been a great guy, but instead chose violence and oppression while in office. Repeatedly.
How much must one repent to balance out spreading terror across the globe? No matter how committed he is to changing his legacy, he will never be able to take back the suffering he helped cause.
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Hold my beer.
Jajajajaja "laughs in Argentina Cristina Ladrona de Kirschner"
Just hope he makes a repeat performance on that last point
Unfortunately losing the popular vote doesn't mean he loses the election. Here's to hoping he loses both.
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Other than after 9/11 when we were lied to about the war, Republicans haven't won the popular vote in my lifetime.
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You can add a second term to his list of wins.
Oooooh edgy, very normal and not cult like!
"Cult like" would be thinking Americans are going to elect a Black woman as their next president.
I'm not sure if I understand the points you are trying to make. Could you please elaborate? A) this meme is about records broken, not "wins." A president winning a second term would not break any records. B) why wouldn't Americans vote for a black woman? C) why would the thought of Americans electing a black women be "cult like?"
this meme is about records broken, not “wins.”
Read the title.
why wouldn’t Americans vote for a black woman?
I said Americans will not elect a Black woman as president, not that they will not vote for a Black woman as president. Many Americans will vote for Harris but it's not going to be enough to win the election. The US is conservative country with a predominately White national identity where non-Black minorities like latinos are moving further to the right and increasingly see themselves as part of the White national construct. Harris was very unpopular as vice president and is polling well behind Trump in every key state. She has just over 100 days to turn all of this around.
why would the thought of Americans electing a black women be “cult like?”
The American left suffers from Trump-induced cognitive dissonance. It is so fixated on defeating Trump that it cannot acknowledge that there is a reality in which Trump can and will win. This steadfast denial of reality resembles the behaviour one would find in a cult.
Thank you for the detailed response!
I see now that you were responding to the title and not the content of the post.
To further round out my knowledge and understanding, could you please point me to additional information about Latinos moving further to the right, Harris' popularity, and polling data showing her well behind Trump in key states?
I'm also curious to see examples of the American left refusing to acknowledge the potential of a second Trump term.
Thanks again for helping me understand.
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I'm sure this probably not the only premature problem you have
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pretty sure other people have been convicted of crimes before. he is fantastically old though. maybe he got sent to juvie back in his childhood hometown of Bedrock and was the first convicted criminal!
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I just don't get this. Does the fact that Biden pulled off 4 months before election mean he was never a candidate? 🤔 With that logic, if Trump quits now he is again forgiven as the oldest one? So, whole this news would be bullshit?
Nope, Trump is his parties verified candidate which happens at the convention. Dems have not had their convention yet so Biden was not officially the candidate. Semantics, yes but technically true.
That's why reporters would say " presumptive nominee"
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Trump was officially nominated by the RNC as their candidate. Biden hadn't been nominated by the DNC yet, that was supposed to happen at the conference in a couple weeks. But now that he has pulled out, he will not be nominated and thus not be the official candidate.
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Isn't biden older though?
Biden stepped down before getting the official nomination. Trump was nominated by his party last week. That makes Trump officially the oldest candidate nominated by a political party.
You are confusing the term candidate and nominee.
Both Biden and Trump were candidates. Trump is now the Republican nominee, Biden was the presumptive Democrat nominee.
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this one does require a "small" amount of "critical thinking"
Yes but he backed out and it says oldest candidate.
Ever
Right, and for this election cycle Biden won’t be a candidate but Trump will. Trump is now an older candidate than Biden was when he was a candidate.
So, as I understand with all these comments, they're only candidates if they appear on the ballot on election day? Regardless if they ran and then dropped out?
That would be correct. The debate and everything up to the DNC has been pure punditry. He was not an official candidate.
I am confused if they aren't candidates until they appear on the ballot. Then what do we call them in the meantime?
You're confused because they don't know what they're talking about.
Nominees are the candidates selected by their party. Candidates are those who are campaigning for a position. Neither term is conferred by actually appearing on the ballot (a nominee can drop out before the election), but being officially nominated by their party is how they will get on the ballot.
Someone said in another comment that Biden dropped before he was officially nominated, so technically, he was more like a candidate to be a candidate if I get it right
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How was your 48-hour nap?
He's not a candidate in this election, and Trump is older now than Biden was during the last election.
For those who struggle with math, that means that Biden is less than 4 years older than trump. The people criticizing Biden's age and not trump's as well never actually gave a shit about Biden's age. Look forward to those same people making up bullshit reasons that Harris is less capable than trump. They know they're full of shit, but it's not about making sense, it's about trying to obfuscate what's pretty clear so that independents and undecideds give up, get frustrated, get confused, and/or get demotivated so that they either stay home or vote 3rd party. There are only two viable parties in this bullshit first past the post system; one of them wants Project 2025 and one of them doesn't. Look at bullet points for what that is and then get your ass to the polls. It's that simple. The only people trying to convince you that it's not that simple are the ones who don't want you to look at those bullet points because it's pretty obvious whether most people are for or against that playbook. It's damning.
First of all vote.
Second of all, I’m sick of this fall in line and do what we say bullshit.
Fuck you!
I will do what I want and if it happens to fall in line with what you tell me to then you’re lucky I’m even still going to do it.
Fucking authoritarian bullshit is supposed to be on their side
"Hey, the other guys are fascist, so if you don't like fascism, you probably should vote against them"
REEEE YOU'RE A FASCIST FOR EVEN MENTIONING THAT MAYBE PEOPLE SHOULD VOTE A CERTAIN WAY
Fun fact: all fascists are authoritarian, but not all who are authoritarian are fascists.
The other commenter rightly called your condescendingly controlling behavior based on adherence to authority authoritarian without calling you a fascist.
You may want to check who replied when bud
Huh? You're saying that the timing of his reply is somehow germane to whether or not telling people what to do is authoritarian behavior?
Btw, just for the record, I don't believe in not voting and will hold my nose and vote for the lesser evil when necessary. That's not my problem with your comments.
My problem is you pretty much ORDERING people to follow the example of you and me rather than advocating for it without authoritarian language.
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I never said to fall in line. I said to look up bullet points on what Project 2025 is, look up who is for and who is against it, and get to the polls. I didn't even say who to vote for. Everybody voting will result in the will of the people, and as somebody who likes having a democracy, that's what I'm advocating for. I have my own opinions about which party is more pro democracy, and it's probably pretty obvious to anybody who is paying attention to politics, but I was intentionally vague so that people can come to their own conclusions based on "doing their own research".
But I guess for you, telling people to inform themselves and vote based on factual information makes me an authoritarian. Cool.
Please dont vote. I have a good guess where that vote would go
To Harris, just like I said it would
The people criticizing Biden's age and not trump's as well never actually gave a shit about Biden's age.
You're true about a lot of us, just not in the way you're implying: I and a lot of others objected to his diminished capacity rather than his age itself.
Berne's a little over en year older than Biden and sharper than people two decades younger.
Nancy Pelosi is a year or two older still, and not showing any he near as stark signs of decline as Biden is.
Come to think of it, the media harped on and on about Bernie's age in both the 2016 and 2020 primaries without ever mentioning the health of Hillary or Biden. Did you come to Bernie's defense in 2020 since he's in better health than both, heart stent and all, and less than a year older than Biden?
Look forward to those same people making up bullshit reasons that Harris is less capable than trump
Nobody ever said less capable than Trump. There's several orders of magnitude between "not fit" and "as unfit as Trump". That Biden was behind in spite of being a much less awful candidate and president was down to Trump's religious cult as well as media gaslighting.
Personally, I'm no fan of Kamala but I believe that, unlike Biden, she'll beat Trump if nominated, so you won't hear me calling for her ouster like I did for the one who was literally incapable of doing the job.
Btw, notice how my comment is much more easily readable than your wall of text in spite of being of similar length?
Breaking up your points into paragraphs takes literally a few seconds and improves the legibility of any long comment immensity.
Yes, Biden clearly showed signs of losing his mental acuity. I didn't really believe it until I saw it in the past couple of months. But a lot of conservatives weren't really articulating acuity, they were saying he was too old.
Age in general is a concern to me as well because these old fucks don't understand how different the world is now compared with 30-50 years ago. Wealth is also a concern to me because wealthy, privileged people haven't struggled like average Americans have and/or do. Congress needs more people like Katie Porter who understand what it's like to make difficult home finance decisions and be thankful that there's even any semblance of choice involved.
Yes, I was fully on board with Sanders in 2016 and 2020. I also liked Warren. One day in the future, maybe Buttigieg or Jeffries. It's exciting to speculate on all of the rising, younger Democratic stars.
I have my issues with Kamala Harris, but I think that she's probably the best person to run against trump in 2024 especially with only 3.5 months (which sounds like plenty of time to pick anybody to me, but I'm not qualified to assess that). She's not my favorite, but I'm more excited about her than I would've been for Biden.
My only real concerns for Harris running are what the media spoonfeeds to the gullible masses and what the October surprise will be this time. There's a part of me that wishes Biden would resign just to take away the talking point of "trump has been president and she hasn't; is she capable of running the country?" Plus we would already have had a couple months of a woman running the country before the election, so people could see that that's not an actual thing to be concerned about.
Nobody ever said less capable than Trump.
one nit to pick: i assure you, a lot of people harping on about biden's 'mental decline' do in fact think trump is more capable, or at the very least are happy to claim to believe so. you're clearly not one of them, but they exist in droves.
and if bernie had been elected, i suspect they'd make the same claims regardless of evidence to the contrary.
Still says ever, although op points out that he wasn’t officially nominated, but hell I’m a candidate for president if I say so because I have said i was and I meet the minimum requirements
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