How much time do we waste on car problems? Neighbor problems? Political problems? Grocery problems?
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Right and how much time do we save by having computers? Fixing the problems is just the cost of doing business
Not much.
Yeah, this seems like a pretty dumb conclusion. I expect that as far back as you look, people always took advantage of tools that save them time. But then they always also spent a fair amount of that time (that they could have been working), just maintaining/fixing/making their tools. I think the truth is that computers are very useful tools, but the maintenance and troubleshooting can be quite time consuming.
I will continue using computers though.
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Sounds more like a lot of people could do with some basic computer skills training.
Developers: Those are rookie numbers
I'm going for the high score!
I'm an IT engineer, 100% of my time is spent on computer problems.
You don't eat, sleep or go to the bathroom?
Someone call Harrison Ford, we have a replikant!
I’m a home server hobbyist. I like to think of them as computer solutions.
Am I too millennial to have all these problems with computers? They've been in our homes for about forty years now. There's no excuse not to sit down and learn the basics of how it operates.
That number was more like 30% with a windows laptop and all the security crap Microsoft convinced my company to install. It was so painfully slow and glitchy. So I went rogue and put Linux on my company laptop 8 months ago and I'm not looking back.
Yep. Over here running Fedora KDE 40 on my desktop, dealing with zero issues. My use case is pretty simple, but everything I use just works, no issues.
If your use case is "pretty simple," you're unlikely to have problems with any operating system.
In my case I'm a manager so I don't do any real work. Linux is great for an Edge browser, ms365 paper pushing wana be engineer.
Yeah, I know. What of it?
We are wasting up to 20% of our time with bronze problems.
-- Some grumpy dude circa 3300 BC
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Do they include "fighting with anti patterns and dark patterns" as broken? It's pretty insane how much misalignment there is between what most people want their computers to do and what the companies want people to do, which seems to largely be "look at ads literally everywhere".
Personal computing is badly sick today.
Even for Linux users.
Why for Linux? Its always painted as Zion for matrix-dwellers?
Well, because it's still enormously complex and growing, and because, in user applications, comparing today's XFCE to 2010's XFCE is sad, and because comparing today's Gnome to Gnome 2 in its prime is sad, and because comparing today's KDE, eh, even to KDE4 - the same.
Because it's becoming less and less logical, wave after wave people suffering NIH syndrome and\or thinking that mimicking MacOS or Windows is very smart erode it, and because the Web is ugly and becoming uglier.
And because CWM initial configuration takes 15 minutes to write and forget, and there's no Wayland compositor which would take the same amount of time to set up for me, with the same easiness of use.
Anyway, what I wrote in that comment was a subjective feeling and I'm trying to rationalize it retroactively now, which is the same as lying.
Of course it's what you said for Windows and MacOS users.
It's painted like that because it is. It's the biggest bastion of freedom.
Those are rookie numbers. Install Linux and pump those numbers up.
You don't know what you're talking about
Linux users brings the numbers up
Do you have a moment to talk about our Lord and Savior Fedora Silverblue?
I spend literally no time at all dealing with my OS.
I'm literally dealing with an update issue with this distro lol
To he fair, it was perfect, literally perfect, until now. And even now, it's not unbootable, since I can just use the previous image point. Just sucks I can't update.
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Once everything is set up properly it just works tbh. Meanwhile in windows updates broke something every other time.
This is so not true unless you are using some super stable old Debian release and aren't doing complex work.
Most DEs are super buggy, especially the darling child kde, which right off the bat makes things not super stable.
Additionally some of the most loved distros are rolling release and inherently unstable.
Hell, I use multiple distros daily, fedora and slackware, I also use windows for work, windows is by and large more stable in my experience.
Slackware has kernel panics monthly, kde crashes on fedora, Wayland has too many problems to count, meaning I have to switch to x sessions all the time.
Most GUI software I use has tons of visual glitches.
Yes it's tolerable, that's why I still use it, but I wouldn't exactly say it 'just works'
I would estimate I restart my fedora computer about 4-5 times more often than than the windows computer, and usually I have to restart fedora because of serious hard crashes (e.g. kde crashes so hard that I can't even switch to a tty, meaning I need to hard reset)
I've not had anything like that since... forever. But then I'm not a kde nor fedora user. Naturally raises the question - have you considered switching from kde, fedora or both?
If Linux "just worked" I would have switched years ago. I've used several distributions, always preferred Gnome to KDE, and even with "expert" help setting things up, I always spent way more time trying to make things work than actually having things work. Unless it's a basic-ass workstation being used for minimal computer things or to run a server for something, there's always something that doesn't want to work.
I like the idea of Linux more than I actually like using Linux. :/
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Really? Because I updated and my wine prefix just broke. That was yesterday.
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Hey, all of those problems are entirely because of my own incompetence.
I can't tell if you are joking. But just in case, my installation worked flawlessly for years.
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This is 100% due to Microsoft, google and Apple. If you dont understand, I'm not defending my position, or explaining further.
Working server side much? Pretty sure a lot of us spend a lotta time on fixing shit unrelated to either of those 3… Not that it diminishes the merit of our IT support dude that endure due to those 3 indeed.
Tangent: what’s this trend all about where people will make a statement and then firmly state that they will not answer questions or explain themselves afterwards?
I’m seeing it everywhere.
Presumably it's people who are tired of dealing with troll responses.
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Just stop having computer problems
My job is to fix computers so I waste 100% of my time with computer problems.
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I recognise the waste in waiting time, but I also think we are still increasing productivity more than enough to make up for it.
Personally I solve it by multitasking harder. Whenever there is a waiting time for a download or other stuff I simply start doing something else. I'm not going to waste my life watching loading bars for a living.
I don't think increasing user-friendlyness is a good solution. It's pretty much what caused the issues to begin with. Every time Windows or the apps make something more user-friendly it always results in more buttons to click and more updates to keep up.
I also spend an unreasonable amount of time just rearranging the windows in comparison to back when apps had keyboard-only GUIs with functions layered in different pages or tabs. I obviously don't think that is a good solution today either, but it goes to show that the bloated operating system has a lot of the blame.
Say you want to do something simple like renaming a file, you'll need to open an app to show the folders and files and also 100 different functions that are of no use for the specific task, position and scroll it where it's visible, navigate by mouse or keyboard and then do whatever you wanted. My point is that just operating the operation system is something that requires 10s of seconds over and over again every day. There's a long way from thought to execution for the simplest task.
The good thing is that it enables a lot of people to do so without any training at all, so maybe that makes up for it in total.
I thought the title said “We are wasting up to 20% of our time on computers.”
My immediate thought was “That seems way too low…”
Jokes on you! My whole life is a waste of time
I certainly don't. If I can't fix it in 5 minutes, I just ignore the problem. And I wish everyone else would too and stop complaining about the smoke coming out of the machine. It's fine.
Using the word "we" loosely.
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