Local or service as a software substitute?
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They actually plan to use some local stuff in addition to the rest, otherwise I don't trust anything OpenAI/Google.
"Trustworthy AI" + Recent aquisiton of an advertising analytics company + a call for people to inform on third party sources of Firefox = Down the enshitification rabbit hole we go.
Any recommendations of a good alternative on android? I'm thinking I'll move to librewolf on desktop but they don't appear to have an android version.
I do like Mull, but I'm also uninformed and I don't use my mobile browser all too much.
Fair enough, research time for me! Thanks for the reply
I use a fork from F-Droid called Fennec. I'm not sure off the top of my head how closely it tracks with upstream feature-wise but I know it strips out all of Mozilla's tracking components and it's always updated within a couple days of the upstream release.
I use Fennec F-Droid on Android and LibreWolf on Linux/Mac/Windows.
Everybody in the know is already using privacy forks on PC and phones... i guess it is time to get normies on boarded.
Man, they really are making it complicated though. If you want to fight them, jgot to keep switching. They know normies won't :/
Pretty sure the only thing I wouldn't object to AI being used for in Firefox would be ad blocking. Surely they're going to use this for that right?
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Right?
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Shit.
trustworthy AI
Our initial offering will include ChatGPT, Google Gemini, HuggingChat, and Le Chat Mistral
What
Defund Mozilla lmao. Absolute shipwreck of a company at this point.
Did you read the article? Why would adding an option to use ai in a side bar require shuttering a company?
“this week, we will launch an opt-in experiment”
And
“those who have opted-in will have the option to access their preferred AI service from the Firefox sidebar”
If you are so keen to know, then you will just have to wait a few more years. Firefoxes development is rapidly derailing into nonsense recently. They will have to either kick out their current leadership or they will be reduced to a data sucking, adware company sooner or later.
Oh yes, as opposed to Google or Microsoft who definitely aren't already data-sucking, predatory adware companies. No thanks, I'll stick with the lesser evil.
If you're going to lie to everyone at least make it sound believable.
Do you read any tech news? If so how did u miss every single mozilla headline of the past months? Something being the lesser evil doesnt turn truths into lies.
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At least this is opt-in, and Firefox still allows for manifest v3 extensions, and, on the whole, isn't using a engine funded by a billion dollar company that's doing everything in it's power to spy on you.
Yeah i was kinda overreacting but it really isnt looking good for firefoxes future at this point imo. As long as its open source there will at least be forks like librewolf.
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Who do we turn to for a browser? Not chromium based I don't trust google codebase.
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Any good forks without the ai? I really don't want that many ai companies with my data.
They're not just giving these AI companies your data...
It's an optional feature, and you would choose which model you use. If you choose not to use it, or disable the feature, nobody will recieve your data. If you want a browser without these features, Librewolf will likely be a safe choice, as I don't seem them adding this.
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Why does my open source browser need proprietary SaaS products stuffed into it?
Isn't this what extensions are for?
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I think it makes sense. I like ChatGPT and I appreciate having easy access to it. What I really wish is the option to use local models instead. I realize most people don't have machines that can tokenize quickly enough but for those that do...
Seconding this. Why not allow people to run llama3 or other open source models?
From the post:
Whether it’s a local or a cloud-based model, if you want to use AI, we think you should have the freedom to use (or not use) the tools that best suit your needs
native tab grouping would be a much more desirable feature, to me
people please actually read the article not the headline; this is literally about accessibility improvements for blind and visually impaired people for generating alt text inside of documents and pdfs.
yeah but AI bad no matter if it would be actually useful for once
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No fuckin’ thanks.
And we say goodbye to Firefox. NEXT!
Did you actually read the content...?
I wish they spent their time fixing bugs, rather than implementing this bullshit
Why not both? A large project like this needs to fix bugs and also continue to refine its features for long term relevance.
Why not both? A large project like this needs to fix bugs and also continue to refine its features for long term relevance.
You will never achieve long-term relevance, by chasing immediately available buzzwords
How long does AI need to be used, and how much demand needs to be sustained, for it to stop being called a "buzzword"? I'm a little dubious that NVIDIA became literally the most highly-valued company on Earth off the back of a mere "buzzword."
AI may have its uses, but the easy counterpoint to your argument is to look at FTX at its peak and where it is now (bankrupt). The stock exchange is the exact opposite of rational, and is terrible at estimating the use one can get out of tech.
FTX was a cryptocurrency exchange, how is that remotely similar to NVIDIA?
Can you reminds us what the current state of NFTs is? Or most crypto? Web3 tech? This is next.
Of course Nvidia are the highest-valued company. They capitalized on idiots misusing the technology, until it created issues in society, for personal gain.
Can you remind me how those technologies are related, other than the mere accusation of them being "buzzwords"?
Cryptocurrency is actually doing fine, BTW. Just because you don't find it useful doesn't mean it's not useful to other people.
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It doesn't seem like end users are the ones demanding AI.
I am an end user and I find it quite handy for a number of applications.
The reasoning "I don't find it useful and therefore nobody finds it useful" is common in these sorts of threads.
If the sentiment is that common, maybe there's something to it.
You made an assertion about what end users want. I'm an end user and my desires are not the same as your desires.
But if the sentiment is that common, maybe there's something to it.
Or maybe it's just a common fallacy. Like argumentum ad populum.
I made a generalization based on the abundance of comments from people saying they don't want AI. Your desires may not be the desires of the majority of users.
Or maybe it's just a common fallacy. Like argumentum ad populum.
It's not. Saying a bunch of people don't want something because a bunch of people are saying they don't want it isn't argumentum ad populum. I never made an assessment about whether AI was good or bad.
If you want to argue that Lemmy doesn't represent users at large, or that the people complaining about AI are a loud minority, go for it. But the vast majority of comments on anything AI related seem opposed to it.
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Can I ask areal question? I’m not trying to be a dick or smart ass, I legit don’t get this. What is bullshit here? I read the article and it seems like a useful feature to me.
“this week, we will launch an opt-in experiment”
“those who have opted-in will have the option to access their preferred AI service from the Firefox sidebar”
Is this opt in only feature really terrible? Because as a user of ai, not switching tabs sounds like a nice new feature to me.
I strongly believe that generative AI is catastrophically misused in the vast majority of its applications, so in my eyes, adding gpt-based AI to the browser is largely a wasted
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