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Goodbye Youtube and thanks for all the fish (infosec.pub)
submitted 1 year ago by mvilain@infosec.pub to c/technology@lemmy.world
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Youtube let the other shoe drop in their end-stage enshittification this week. Last month, they required you to turn on Youtube History to view the feed of youtube videos recommendations. That seems reasonable, so I did it. But I delete my history every 1 week instead of every 3 months. So they don't get much from my choices. It still did a pretty good job of showing me stuff I was interested in watching.

Then on Oct 1, they threw up a "You're using an Ad Blocker" overlay on videos. I'd use my trusty Overlay Remover plugin to remove the annoying javascript graphic and watch what I wanted. I didn't have to click the X to dismiss the obnoxious page.

Last week, they started placing a timer with the X so you had to wait 5 seconds for the X to appear so you could dismiss blocking graphic.

Today, there was a new graphic. It allowed you to view three videos before you had to turn off your Ad Blocker. I viewed a video 3 times just to see what happens.

Now all I see is this.

Google has out and out made it a violation of their ToS to have an ad blocker to view Youtube. Or you can pay them $$$.

I ban such sites from my systems by replacing their DNS name in my hosts file routed to 127.0.0.1 which means I can't view the site. I have quite a few banned sites now.

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[–] TwoGems@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

All the morons defending a mindless corporation in this thread forgot that Google has far overstepped it's boundaries in general. It got to where it is from harvesting free data from users. And now is initiating a web DRM that will far overstep any boundary seen. If a website decides to adopt it, everyone is screwed.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/07/googles-web-integrity-api-sounds-like-drm-for-the-web/

[–] atetulo@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Greed, by definition, has no limits.

What happens when they block adblockers? Do you think they're just going to stop there? Or will they go from 3 ads every 10 minute to 4 ads every 10 minutes?

Greed, by definition, has no limits.

The solution to the problem is to have higher standards. But people with low standards get mad whenever that's pointed out.

They're useful idiots for a reason.

[–] db2@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

But I delete my history every 1 week instead of every 3 months. So they don't get much from my choices.

Implying that deleting them from your view actually deleted them.

[–] caesar_salad83@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

doesn't even matter. what matters is the meta data. if the data from the list say you like science videos with emphasis on electrical engineering, star wars podcasts and mmorpg let's plays - does that data go away apon history deletion. what about meta-meta data. if the meta data puts you on group X that receive content Y, does that go away apon history deletion. and what kind of integration does that get with the rest of the google knowledge about you...

[–] AFreeLarryHoover@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My man thought he was permanently erasing it from history.

[–] almar_quigley@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Next you’ll tell me cognito mode isn’t keeping my browsing completely private! /s

[–] luciferofastora@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How can my workplace admin block Pornhub even when I'm using private mode? He shouldn't even be allowed to see what I do privately!

[–] Kushan@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean, this is mostly borne from a fundamental misunderstanding of what "Private Browsing" mode is and was meant to be.

When you open an incognito tab on Chrome, it literally says "Now you can browse privately, and other people who use this device won’t see your activity."

It also says

Your activity might still be visible to:

  • Websites that you visit
  • Your employer or school
  • Your Internet service provider

Fuck using Chrome and I'm not defending Google at all here, but they never once claimed Incognito was anything more than it was.

[–] luciferofastora@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 year ago

Pretty sure Firefox says that too. Users just don't read. Like, ever. They'll get an error message saying "Important!" and click whatever button seems most likely to make it go away before calling support and demanding they "fix the computer".

[–] jimmydoreisalefty@lemmus.org 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Use alternative yt front ends? YT Vanced, PipePipe, YMusic, and so on...

Firefox with exentions or on PC?

I have not seen any of this on my end, my IP does get blocked though, I just change it.

I wonder how they are rolling it out.

[–] RalphFurley@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thanks to this comment I discovered F-Droid and downloaded PipePipe

[–] jimmydoreisalefty@lemmus.org 0 points 1 year ago

You are welcome!

[–] Fades@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Exactly. Meanwhile in this post there are people begging others to turn off Adblock and sub to YT premium for creators sake lmao

As if handing Google your money helps creators, nobody owes anyone a damn ad view let alone multiple unskipables

[–] jimmydoreisalefty@lemmus.org 0 points 1 year ago

True.

Many will help the people they like with donations and other ways instead of helping Alphabet (google) and the like.

[–] Porka_911@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 year ago

As a premium subscriber for many years, I and my family really get value. I do pay in UAH though.

[–] AlexisFR@jlai.lu 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You don't have a choice.

Also Ublock Origin on Firefox already bypass this.

[–] Jordan117@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Tbh, I block ads when I can but have a hard time getting angry about this. YouTube is both incredibly useful and incredibly expensive to operate -- seriously, what other service lets you upload hours of HD video which anyone in the world can access instantly, indefinitely, for free, and at the same scale YT does? It's a peerless engineering marvel and it would be a tragedy if it were to shut down. If seeing some short skippable ads is what it takes to keep that resource viable, that's honestly pretty fair.

[–] viralJ@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The new word for "whitelisted" is "allowlisted"?

[–] Happenchance@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes. In the same way that "Master" and "Slave" have been replaced for racist engineering terminology, "Whitelist" and "Blacklist" are replaced with "Allowlist" and "Blocklist".

[–] coffeeaddict@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Do these terms actually come from racist backgrounds, or did they come up as a coincidence?
It just feels weird someone would think of a way to degrade black people then decide to use blacklist for things they don't want, then engineers decide to use master and slave to piss off black people whatever. Is that literally the history behind it?

[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Blacklist was specifically used to refer to the refusal of entry as if they were a black person, so yes there is a racist history. Master and Slave is pretty obvious why especially considering everyone uses Parent/Child and Primary/Secondary these days anyway. Like maybe 10% of the change was because of "je-I-mean-sjws being offended" and like 90% just practicality because they're outdated terms that aren't really used.

[–] chakan2@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Lol...omg. lol.

Phew.

I'm sure Americans used blacklist like that at one time or another, but the origins are a list of enemies and had nothing to do with skin color.

Master and Slave is also not something exclusive to black people, they're generic terms that were appropriated.