Just pick hybrid and fake the system that tracks you. Probably not super hard to trick it.
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They work in tech, promotions are achieved by moving employers. Internal mobility is always terrible in tech companies.
Very much this. I have never switched employers and not received a sizable salary bump in the process. This isn't quite "don't threaten me with a good time" territory, but it's not far removed from it.
I'm admittedly not familiar with the data, but I have the impression that this is true with quite a few fields, tech or otherwise. I think they prey upon loss aversion.
I think it is just American working culture. Corporations slowly eroded benefits over the years to where we are today and your salary is pretty much stuck at a 3% cost of living raise if you are lucky. My last job had an HR cap at 10% and my boss "pulled some strings" to get me an 8% bump (with a ton of extra responsibilities) and I still made 20k less than the fucking new hires. I still stayed 2 more years.
Not just American unfortunately... crap ass managers use the internet too, the news spreads... beyond the marginal raise i get due to inflation every year i only ever get a decent raise by, well, changing companies.
Yup. It's the same fucked-up psychology corps use for their customers. Like running ads for super discounts for new customers. Existing customers that have never missed a payment? Fuck-em. Instead of giving 1% "thank you" for good customers, corps would rather lose the good customers and pay a premium to find new ones.
So it goes.
Yuuuup lowest pay bump I have gotten was 10k highest was over 50k with the potential of a bonus. I got low balled for a long years and am now like pay me. Wish I would have seen/known my worth long ago before getting taken advantage of
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That's consistent with my office, plus a hiring freeze so nobody new coming in.
Fortunately, for me, my cardiologist told them to pound sand. Working from home now since 2018.
Friends don't let bosses purchase Dell computers.
Our shop has two options (for security and management, they keep the options lean). Dell Windows 11 machines and Mac. The suckiness of the Dell ecosystem, combined with Windows 11 being fairly terrible, has pushed most all of my colleagues over to Mac over the last few years. Even most of the ASP.NET developers are on Mac at this point. This just solidifies that direction even further.
My company has one option, Lenovo with locked down Windows 11. We didn't want to deal with the IT dept constantly, so we told them we need Macs and bought them ourselves, despite most of our team (including me) not liking Apple. We don't need macOS for anything, we just build software for Linux servers and Windows desktops, but here we are because of stupid corporate policy.
I use a Lenovo running Linux at home, and my next laptop will probably be a Framework. But I use macOS all day because IT depts kinda suck. They won't allow Linux either, if it's company hardware, it runs company images, or stock in the case of Apple...
Ours basically added MacOS as an option because they didn’t want to manage Linux and there are standard security tools for it. I don’t mind MacOS, it has its quirks, but it beats W11. I had an HP with Linux there before the company decided to drop it and I do miss it, but knowing I’d have to now have a Dell with Linux if they still had the option, I’ll take the Apple hardware knowing all the issues the windows guys have.
Eh, I'd take an enterprise Dell with Linux over macOS, but I'd take macOS over Windows.
I honestly don't understand IT departments sometimes...
When I got hired at my job where I could write and dictate policy, the first thing I did was write up a new IT Purchasing Policy with a "Banned Manufacturers" section right up top with HP right at #1 and Dell at #2
What did you prefer? Lenovo?
Lately, Lenovo. It was Asus and Lenovo, but lately they've been shitting the bed IMO. And MSI is about to join HP and Dell if I have to replace one more of their damn shitty ass fans
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Considering that HP is the other choice that most businesses consider, I'd take the Dell 100% of the time. HP's laptops are complete and utter trash.
Lenovo is at the top of the enterprise devices game right now. I always say they operate in cycles and usually each brand trades every 2 years who is at number one.
I still will always shit on HP. And HPE Aruba switches are absolutely trash.
Lenovo should be out just by virtue of being a Chinese company. You should not trust critical security devices to Chinese companies.
Riiiight.... trust American companies instead... definitely so...
Funny, I try to block anyone in my department that wants to purchase a Lenovo. My most recent experiences with them have been a faulty battery driver that was known online for at least six months before it was brought to my attention that the model I purchased for someone (their choice) refused to recharge, and Lenovo continued to deny any problems on their side... We returned the laptop as unusable because the only way to charge it was to boot into the BIOS screen. The last time I dealt with them, the corporate rep I worked with was right on top of emails and phone calls until we made a purchase, then refused to answer my contacts after that. After a month of trying to get in touch with him I finally called the main line, and the person I spoke with said "oh he just walked by my desk, let me grab him". The excuse I was given was that he had been too busy to respond.
Basically every time I've been forced to purchase a Lenovo for someone, there has been zero support provided and half of them had to be returned. Granted, I haven't bought any since COVID but I really hope I never have to deal with them again.
And fuck Carly Fiorina for destroying HP.
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HP’s laptops are complete and utter trash
a) yes b) perhaps that also describes their management
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As intended. A Layoff by any other name...
Not for 50% of the company though. They're going to have a rough couple years ahead of them.
I wonder if this method doesn't overproportionally eliminates valuable workers, who can easily switch companies.
Sounds like a problem for the next CEO. I got quarterly metrics to meet. When shit hits the fan cause all the talent left I'll just eject with my golden parachute.
Pretty much.
Capable employees don't raise a huge stink.
They quietly put the word out to a few people they know and play along until something interesting appears on the horizon.
Then when they're good and ready they just "suddenly" fuck off to somewhere nicer for them.
Lolbruh. Go ahead and tell me to go to the office 5 days. I’ll peace the fuck out.
Good luck getting people to waste a ton of gas and time going into the office every day. Even before the pandemic, everyone was already using teams for meetings virtually. I think we had physical meetings a few times a year at most, and even then, some people were virtual.
Dell announced a new return-to-office initiative earlier this year. In the new plan, workers had to classify themselves as remote or hybrid.
Those who classified themselves as hybrid are subject to a tracking system that ensures they are in a physical office 39 days a quarter, which works out to close to three days per work week.
Alternatively, by classifying themselves as remote, workers agree they can no longer be promoted or hired into new roles within the company.
Holy corporate oppression, Batman! That's a shitty deal no matter which option you choose.
I'm glad they've got themselves into a sticky situation.
Also, this observation was funny (in a sad way):
One person said they'd spoken with colleagues who had chosen to go hybrid, and those colleagues reported doing work in mostly empty offices punctuated with video calls with people who were in other mostly empty offices.
One major downside of hybrid working really is that if you are having a meeting where even a single person is not there, then the entire meeting may as well be a video call. If you are on a video call, then why do you need to be in the office for it?
At my job we work with physical objects, so being in office is a requirement at least part of the time, but if I'm just going to be in meetings for most of the day, there is no way I'm going into the office just to sit on video calls all day.
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What happens if you refuse both options?
That's called "time to get a new job."
Before I came in here, I assumed that's what "or else" meant, and I'm still not sure it doesn't mean that.
Can you be fired for conditions they decided to change?
In the US, yes, in most states. If you're not following company policy, even if that changed since you started, that's not wrongful termination unless it's for "unfair labor practices" or something. Employment contracts don't really exist unless you're a contractor.
In the USA, if it is not explicitly written in your job description/contract that you are remote, yes. It also means you can't apply for unemployment as you were terminated for refusal to perform work duties, even if you are working.
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I had one of those at my job. They fired him.
They were probably like, “Finally, I can go to a company that doesn’t force me to use a Dell.”
Quiet unionizing?
we should fucking hope. Might catch on
That’s a horribly deceiving title. They just stayed remote and made themselves ineligible for promotion.
Business Insider claims it has seen internal Dell tracking data that reveals nearly 50 percent of the workforce opted to accept the consequences of staying remote, undermining Dell's plan to restore its in-office culture.
Probably while updating their resumes and looking around for replacement jobs in case they find a better one. I know I would.
Promotions haven't been worth it for 30 years. Most people stick around cuz it's a PITA getting a new job
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There's a pretty good chance that every employee facing this offer is in a position where Dell sees them as replaceable. They want people who follow orders and not much more, so if you want to look at it through that filter Dell got what they wanted.
Unless somebody over there at the top is crazy, Dell would have had individual deals with the true innovators, decision makers, movers and shakers internally who are viewed as top tier and irreplaceable.
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