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[–] Sparky@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 3 months ago (5 children)
[–] 555@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (3 children)
[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 3 months ago

personally still holding out for firefox for pear phone

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Eh, on Linux, it's probably in your package manager, and likely already installed. Just be careful with Ubuntu since they use snaps.

[–] 555@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Firefox auto-updates with the snap version, whereas it doesn't with most package manager versions. So if it updates while you're using it, it won't let you open new tabs without restarting it (Firefox, not the machine), which can interrupt your workflow. On other distros, that only happens when installing updates manually, which isn't an issue because you're aware of it.

This is second hand info though since I don't use Ubuntu, so YMMV.

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[–] mechoman444@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

www.waterfox.com

A really good chrome clone using Firefox. It's my go-to browser.

Only issue is that it's a little slower to update than Firefox direct.

[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (6 children)

Run a pihole or similar

Your web browser is just one piece of software on your network capable of displaying ads and collecting data

[–] paraphrand@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

That’s reminds me, I should go update mine.

[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I'm only familiar with pi holes on a cursory level, but you have to update them manually? This is a bit of a turn off.

[–] Evilcoleslaw@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

You could schedule it with cron. You usually don't need to update the lists very often though, and you don't want to either as you're just wasting the bandwidth of the hosts of the lists, who aren't making any money off hosting them.

[–] karika@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

You have to type one command:

pihole -up

https://docs.pi-hole.net/main/update/

[–] uzay@infosec.pub 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Network-level adblock cannot replace browser-level adblock and vice versa

[–] DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 3 months ago

Both… both is good

[–] xyz1195@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I'm a bit clueless when it comes to that but certainly interested. Could you maybe go into more detail as to which hardware and software is needed to set that up?

Thanks much in advance!

[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

So the main software is here https://pi-hole.net/ (and they have good documentation, so I'm not going to repeat the nitty-gritty here)

You obviously need something to run it on, which could be some existing computer that's always on, but (as the name might suggest) a lot of people use some form of Raspberry Pi (or similar) single-board computer.

Pihole will run on basically anything, so you can get an ancient pi and it will still run fine

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[–] kbin_space_program@kbin.run 0 points 3 months ago (3 children)

What a garbage article. Chock full of google propaganda and fear mongering.

[–] 555@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

A misspelling of googol, which means 10^100^.

[–] corbin@infosec.pub 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

What specifically is "google propaganda and fear mongering" in the article?

[–] kbin_space_program@kbin.run 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Mentions UBlock seems.to be fast and safe, but that the API used lets extensions look at everything you do amd can dramatically affect browser speed. Implying that UBlock Origin is responsible for Chrome being such a memory Hog and that they, not Google, are the ones after your data.

[–] Deebster@programming.dev 0 points 3 months ago

That performance cost seems to be negligible in uBlock Origin and other popular ad blockers that have focused on optimization [...], but there were probably other extensions not doing that well.

The article goes out of its way to not do what you're accusing it of. I don't understand how you've managed to read the article as having the opposite slant as what it actually does.

[–] corbin@infosec.pub 0 points 3 months ago

Except the part where it didn't imply that at all?

That performance cost seems to be negligible in uBlock Origin and other popular ad blockers that have focused on optimization (uBO has an explainer wiki page), but there were probably other extensions not doing that well. It’s not hard to see a situation where multiple poorly-optimized extensions installed using the Web Request API could dramatically slow down Chrome, and the user would have no way of knowing the issue.

[–] far_university1990@feddit.de 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I don’t think that’s necessarily the case: Google knows as well as I do that a total crackdown would give governments like the European Union and United States more ammo for antitrust lawsuits.

They do not care, never have, never will. Cost of operation.

It would also be a motivator for more people to switch browsers, which would weaken Google’s browser monopoly.

Not enough even care that would make noticable difference in market share.

A lot of people were upset 23 years ago when Windows ME removed real mode DOS, too.

And they all stopped using it, right? Right?

The new Declarative Net Request API is still a downgrade in capability compared to the older API, but the feature gap has closed significantly.

Chrome now allows extensions to include 100 rule lists, with up to 50 lists active at once. There are also additional filtering options, including an option to have case-insensitive rules, which cuts down on duplicates in filter lists. The maximum number of filter rules now varies by use case — an extension can now have up to 30,000 dynamic rules (filters downloaded by the extension) if they are deemed as “safe” (block, allow, allowAllRequests or upgradeScheme), an additional 5,000 other types of dynamic requests, and more filters included in the extension package.

for context, EasyList is just one of the lists enabled by default in uBlock Origin and other ad blockers, and it has over 75,000 rules.

Can you math? Feature gap almost same as before.

[–] corbin@infosec.pub 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

That's up to 30K dynamic rules, at least 30K static rules, and at least 1K regex rules: https://developer.chrome.com/docs/extensions/reference/api/declarativeNetRequest#property-GUARANTEED_MINIMUM_STATIC_RULES

That seems like it's fine for general use, and those limits might go up again. EasyList and the other big lists can be consolidated to varying degrees with Chrome's rules format, and there's probably some dead rules in there. uBlock Origin on Firefox will definitely be more versatile moving forward, but every time I've used uBlock Origin Lite in Chrome it's almost the same experience.

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[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 months ago

Seemed pretty level headed and surprisingly well written to me.

[–] jeena@piefed.jeena.net 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

uBlock Origin for Chrome has over 34 million installations according to the Chrome Web Store

Oh wow, that is very surprising to me. I somehow expected a billion of installations. Especially when I saw the screenshots without it in the article, how can anyone browse the web without it?

[–] LordWiggle@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

There are other ad block options. And there is Firefox. I use Vivaldi browser, it has a built-in ad blocker, just like many other browsers. I just wish Vivaldi would be Firefox based.

[–] jeena@piefed.jeena.net 0 points 3 months ago

But Firefox has a installation base of 2.8% and Chrome 65%. The Firefox uBlock Origin installations are in my opinion statistically insignificant, so are Brave browser installations which are even lower.

[–] corbin@infosec.pub 0 points 3 months ago

Adblock users are still a statistical minority of web users. Most people don’t care (as evidenced by Netflix’s ad tier gaining subscribers every quarter) or don’t know those extensions exist.

[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)
[–] 001Guy001@lemm.ee 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Just adding that as I understand this, donations to the Mozilla Foundation cannot go towards Firefox, because it's actually part of the Mozilla Corporation. To help with funding Firefox people can consider purchasing the Corporation's other products (VPN/Relay/Monitor), or purchasing merch.

See more here on the AMA on Reddit, and this thread

[–] mrvictory1@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

afaik the corporation is part of the foundation so the other way around

[–] 001Guy001@lemm.ee 0 points 3 months ago

Sorry, it was unclear in my comment. By "it’s actually part of the Mozilla Corporation" I was referring to Firefox, not Mozilla Foundation

[–] erwan@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 months ago

Use Firefox if you want but don't donate to Mozilla. Money doesn't go to Firefox development anyway.

Also if they can afford to pay their CEO $3 millions a year, they don't need your donations.

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

(and other browsers)

... that aren't Firefox.

[–] corbin@infosec.pub 0 points 3 months ago

The article talks about Firefox too.

[–] chirospasm@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 months ago

TL;DR use FF

[–] corbin@infosec.pub 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

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[–] Hugh_Jeggs@lemm.ee 0 points 3 months ago

I didn't even click the article. Here's Why -

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Since January 2018, 42% of malicious extensions use the Web Request API.

That's like making knifes illegal in general because they have been used in a certain amount of murder cases.

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

And now, a new golden age of malvertisement will emerge...

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

Indeed. What a f-ing stupid argument: "We cannot trust the extensions that the user installed, therefor we give malware from advertisers free roam!"

[–] LordCrom@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

If 42% of crimes used a handgun, we should ban those too.

[–] StaySquared@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (18 children)

You just made the argument for gun rights.

Thank you and I love you. <3

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[–] StaySquared@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (8 children)

I think I've made this comment before, but I really wish people would learn more about technologies like pihole. Get the ad once, get the hyperlink, add it to blacklist.

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[–] FeelThePower@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 3 months ago (3 children)

This finally made all my Chrome friends switch to the fox. about time

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