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Ukraine war: At least 30 killed in biggest Russian bombardment yet (www.bbc.com)

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Homes, a maternity hospital, a shopping center, and a metro station were hit as part of the attacks. The attack may have been linked to the destruction of a Russian landing ship in Crimea.

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[–] 420stalin69@hexbear.net 11 points 10 months ago (2 children)

None of you NAFOs ever stop to consider the right of self-determination that belongs to the people who live in the eastern provinces.

It’s pretty clear that the people of Donbas, Crimea, etc, do not want to be ruled by this Ukrainian government.

A sustainable peace deal would be Ukraine agreeing to not cooperate or be supplied by NATO, agreeing to respect the rights of ethnic minorities, and giving up the provinces that do not want to be part of Ukraine.

Why is it worth sending tens or hundreds of thousands more to their deaths over that?

It’s an extremely reasonable peace and this is what they turned down at the start of the war when Boris Johnson derailed the initial peace effort. If the west wasn’t so war-thirsty then this war would have been over in a week, or wouldn’t have happened at all so cut out the pointless rhetoric about “we need to teach Putler a lesson” because you’re being blind to some basic facts about how this war could have and was attempted to be prevented when you recite that mantra.

[–] teichflamme@lemm.ee 3 points 10 months ago

It’s pretty clear that the people of Donbas, Crimea, etc, do not want to be ruled by this Ukrainian government

Maybe if you listen to Russian propaganda only. I have both Russian and Ukrainian family and it really isn't that simple.

Your "peace" would be stripping any self determination of a sovereign country to appease the imperialist nuclear power on their border. Even after they have shown not to be trustworthy.

Ukraine might as well just surrender the entirety of their country instead of being a foreign ruled satellite state like Belarus.

Slava Ukraini

[–] SphereofWreckening@ttrpg.network 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

"The right to self-determination" so long as that self determination is becoming Russian territory and nothing more.

Let's not lie to ourselves that this is anything less than Russian Imperialism. It's Russian vs Western Imperialism all the way down.

Edit: both Crimea and Donbas are currently under Russian control. In the case of Crimea it's been almost 10 years now under Russian occupation. If you believe they will leave Russian control I would love to see why you believe so.