Between October 7 and December 15, approximately 18,800 Palestinians have died, 70% of whom were women and children. The death toll includes over 300 health sector workers, 86 journalists, 135 employees of the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East, and around 35 civil defense crews. In addition, more than 51,100 people have been reportedly wounded, with many others unaccounted for.

The report further states that out of 36 hospitals in the enclave, only eight are partially functional. Occupancy rates in inpatient departments have surged to 206%, while intensive care units are operating at a staggering 250% capacity.

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[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe@startrek.website 15 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I haven't heard anything from a third party, and no doubt hamas is exagerating to some degree, but whatever the actual numbers are, I wouldn't think the current estimate of ~20,000 is far off. Israel is intentionally bombing civilians, so the estimated number sounds fairly reasonable to me.

Easier to confirm, is the proportion of women & children. About half the population of Palestine is children, and about half are women. So ~75% being women or children also fits.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 24 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Hamas isn't exaggerating, because the Gaza Health Ministry isn't Hamas except by virtue of Hamas being the government of Gaza. The whole world trusts and uses the GHM's numbers, because they're accurate. Also the real number is more than 19000, because there are people still buried under rubble or otherwise missing.

[–] bartolomeo@suppo.fi 21 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I don't think those commenters really care, they're just looking for reassurance for their apathy. Denial will save them from inconvenience.

[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe@startrek.website 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Dude, I am this 🤏 close to being banned in another community for daring to say that the current event is a genocide of palestinians.

I'm not denying anything, let alone for the sake of convenience. I'm not apathetic. All I'm saying is, is that the current numbers are probably not completely accurate.

I also explicitly said that the current estimate is probably not far off.

[–] abuttandahalf@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 11 months ago

The only way they're not accurate is through underestimation. The official figures exclusively count verified recovered bodies. Unidentified bodies, those still under the rubble, and the dead who cannot be processed by the medical system are not counted. That same medical system that was utterly destroyed by Israel. All evidence points to the official figures being a gross underestimation. After taking all precautions and publishing only the most conservative, verifiable numbers with names backing each one, westerners claim based on propaganda alone that the casualty figures are an overestimation.

We don't need to be parroting genocidal apologia from Joe Biden and the imperialist machine.

[–] dmonzel@lemmy.ml 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

and no doubt hamas is exagerating to some degree

First, you're going to need some sort of evidence to back up this claim. Second, Hamas isn't who is publishing these numbers.

[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe@startrek.website -2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

First, you’re going to need some sort of evidence to back up this claim.

It's in their interest to exaggerate, and they are under the control of a terrorist organization.

Second, Hamas isn’t who is publishing these numbers.

My understanding is that the only people tracking & publishing the numbers is the Palestinian health ministry, which is under the control of Hamas. Everyone else is just saying "Gaza's health ministry said X" and such.

[–] dmonzel@lemmy.ml 3 points 11 months ago

It's in their interest to exaggerate, and they are under the control of a terrorist organization.

That's not evidence, that's another claim. Please provide evidence.

My understanding

You don't understand the difference between evidence and a claim, so it's no surprise that you don't understand anything else that you said after those two words.