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submitted 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) by dino@discuss.tchncs.de to c/gaming@beehaw.org
 

So yeah, I want to discuss or point out why I think Valve needs to fix Anti-Cheat issues. They have VAC but apparently its doing jackshit, be it Counter Strike 2 (any previous iterations) or something like Hunt: Showdown the prevalence of cheating players is non deniable. For me personally it has come to a point that I am not enjoying playing those games anymore, although they are great games by itself. But the amount of occurrences being killed or playing against cheaters is at a height, where I don't see the point anymore.

  • Why I think Valve is the only company able to something against cheaters?

Because they have the tools with VAC already aiming to prevent cheaters. Valve has got the resources to actually invest into something more profound which could be used for any game where anti-cheat protection needs to be implemented. And lastly Valve is the company which is interested in furthering the ability to gaming on Linux, the anti-cheat solution needs to work on both operating systems. Only Valve has the motivation and means to achieve that with their knowledge and resources. What do you guys think about the topic? Is the fight against cheaters hopeless? Do you think some other entity should provide anti-cheat protection, why? I skimmed over "anti cheat in linux kernel" posts in the net, but I have very little knowledge about the topic, what is your stance on it?

Edited: Mixed EAC with VAC. EAC seems to be part of Epic Company. Both of these tools seem unable to prevent cheating like mentioned above.

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[–] savvywolf@pawb.social 101 points 11 months ago (44 children)

Screw client side anti-cheat, fix your goddamn server code.

I'm reminded of a case in Apex Legends where cheaters started dual wielding pistols, despite dual wielding not actually being a game mechanic. That should be something you can easily detect on your server and block.

Client side anticheat is just smoke and mirrors and lets developers think they can get away with not doing their job of writing secure code.

I'm honestly surprised that with all this concern about privacy against Google, Microsoft, Epic, and so on, gamers are willing to just let these games have unrestricted and unchecked access to all your internet, microphone and camera data.

Likewise, despite how much gamers call games "broken glitchy messes", they are perfectly willing to give them enough hardware access to literally destroy your computer.

[–] dino@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 11 months ago (18 children)

How do you propose to hinder aimbots and the like from working with server-side changes?

[–] Cirk2@programming.dev 5 points 11 months ago

how do you stop it on client side? I'm not sure if it has been deployed into the wild but these days computer vision is good enough to just work off the images. Capture image signal, fake usb mouse outputting movements calculated from image data. If this isn't already available it's only held back by the need for extra hardware.

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