Actual card carrying Nazis helped build the post-war western “international rules based order.” Even today people with similar ethno-nationalist, settler-colonialist, and fascist ideology are at the highest levels of every western government,

You're just unhinged and delusional at this point. No the world isn't run by Nazis. If you think the world is run by Nazi's, whatever information and whatever worldview you have is deeply and fundamentally flawed

[–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

They’re not wrong. The US worked very closely with fascists post WW2. High ranking Nazi officials were recruited to run NATO, NASA, and work in many other agencies. It’s not limited to Nazi’s either but other fascists as well. In Japan the US helped a war criminal become prime minister. This guy was literally in Tojo’s cabinet and was a signatory to the declaration of war against the US. Partnering with fascists is something the US still does to this day.

This history isn’t hidden either and the US doesn’t really deny it. However, it’s not exactly something Americans are taught in school.

[–] bioemerl@kbin.social -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We're not talking about some nuanced historical take here, we're talking about this guy trying to claim the world is run by Nazis.

Nobody in the west at any high level is running around saying that we should go exterminating all the Jews or the blue-eyed blond haired people are superior to everyone else.

Racist ass Nazi takes are incredibly unpopular and incredibly stigmatized in western culture. The facts of the United States rebuilt Japan and Germany and in the process used their existing leadership has absolutely nothing to do with that.

[–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They didn’t claim the world was run by Nazis though. They said people with similar or related ideologies exist in the highest levels of every western government. That’s undeniably true.

[–] bioemerl@kbin.social -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No they pretty explicitly implied the world was run by Nazis.

I said that the West has the nazi problem pretty well under control. People with explicit That's the ideology are very rare and very much taboo and very much considered bad people.

This guy comes out and says "no you have leaders who are Nazis, you don't have the problem under control"

**Even today people with similar ethno-nationalist, settler-colonialist, and fascist ideology **

And don't bitch about the use of the "similar" weasel word. A Nazi is a Nazi. Ethno nationalist fascism is Nazism by another name and this schmuck thinks the West is still lead by them.

[–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Explicitly imply is an oxymoron. You can’t accuse someone of making a claim they didn’t make.

I think I see where you’re confused though. Nazism is not the only ethno-nationalist or fascist ideology. Settler colonialism is also not equivalent to fascism or Nazism. These things are related though and people who subscribe to similar ideologies will likely be more sympathetic to Nazism. Thus they’re less likely to take neo-Nazis seriously leading to an actual Nazi problem. However, that doesn’t make them Nazis themselves.

[–] knfrmity@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 year ago

I was going to respond with sources, but I see I've hit a nerve by simply alluding to the fact that colonial states are gonna colonize.

It really goes to show how ingrained fascism and white supremacist is in western society, and that because white people in the imperial core materially benefit from this dynamic, they defend it, even as they're shouting to deplatform Nazis.