In fact, has there been any evidence whatsoever that China's "rounding them up" has affected more than, say, 10% of the population? Friendly reminder that 28.5% of Black Americans will end up going to prison at some point.

It's a discriminatory statistic, absolutely, but at the end of the day not everyone is being imprisoned. We only hear about the experiences of those that are because they're the same people willing to leave China or give comment to Western media.

[–] Joncash2@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's weird, people say they won't trust the American government because their evil. Yet they'll trust anything the US says about China even if it runs contrary to what actual Muslims who visited the region say and even the UN. They totally distrust the US, unless it's about China. Then it's 100% true.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The UN?

The OHCHR Assessment of human rights concerns in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region, People's Republic of China is a report published on 31 August 2022 by the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) concerning the treatment of Uyghurs and other largely Muslim groups in China. The report concluded that "[t]he extent of arbitrary and discriminatory detention of members of Uyghur and other predominantly Muslim groups, pursuant to law and policy, in context of restrictions and deprivation more generally of fundamental rights enjoyed individually and collectively, may constitute international crimes, in particular crimes against humanity."[1][

[–] Joncash2@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Exactly, which is similar to what the UN says about the US detaining African Americans.

https://www.ohchr.org/en/statements/2016/01/statement-media-united-nations-working-group-experts-people-african-descent

https://legal.un.org/ilc/sessions/71/pdfs/english/cah_wg_epad.pdf

NOT that China is genociding the Uyghurs.

Now, I'm expecting one of two responses,

WHATABOUTISM RAWR RAWR that we should ignore US crimes because China bad.
Dismissals that China totally arrests more even though we have no data on that.

That said, I do apologize for not making that clear in my original statement. I wasn't trying to say that the UN found no problems at all, only that the problems it found isn't special or unique, but most importantly that it does not constitute genocide that the US is insisting is happening.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Why do people always assume I can't be appalled by China and the states simultaneously? It's not one or the other.

Maybe because people assume I'm American (my username is partially because of Canada) . But even so, I freely admit my country of Canada was actively built upon genocide. And given the amount of missing and murdered indigenous women it's still going on at least passively.

I guess it also depends on what you consider a "genocide". I don't see how what China's doing is any different from what Canada's done.

[–] Joncash2@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

Well for one there's no evidence of murder. That's actually my whole point. For all the complaining, the people who actually visited, the UN and Muslim nations have not seen any evidence of killing.