UBI provides a baseline level of income to keep people out of poverty. But people tend to want more than just the basics, and deciding to work provides additional income for luxuries.
People, in general, are inherently motivated to create, and will do so without the threat of death on the streets. Meaning people will still voluntarily work, only they will do so on their terms.

But also, with the increasing levels of automation possible, human labour is needed less and less to fulfil our needs. We need to decouple being able to live from employment. Because the path we are currently on involves artificially increasing consumption and creating meaningless jobs to justify paying people enough money to live.

[–] HughJanus@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

people tend to want more than just the basics, and deciding to work provides additional income for luxuries.

Doubt.

We need to decouple being able to live from employment.

Well it's a nice utopian thought but not realistic.

[–] darq@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Doubt

What do you mean doubt? That people often choose to work more to afford more stuff is utterly uncontroversial. That's how the capitalist system is argued in favour of today.

On the other hand if you are admitting that capitalism forces people to labour under the threat of death, then it is an evil system, and morally must be eradicated.

Well it’s a nice utopian thought but not realistic.

Because of troglodytes like yourself. Here I thought you were asking in good faith. Serves me right.

[–] HughJanus@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That people often choose to work more to afford more stuff is utterly uncontroversial.

No. It isn't. Some people? Sure. Many people already live off of welfare and already choose not to work.

Because of troglodytes like yourself.

The personal attacks are uncalled for...

Here I thought you were asking in good faith.

And now you think I'm not? Why? Because I didn't roll over and agree with everything you said?

[–] darq@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No. It isn’t. Some people? Sure. Many people already live off of welfare and already choose not to work.

Yes. It is utterly uncontroversial. Most people aspire to have some luxuries in their life. And people go the extra mile to afford them. The fact that some people are on welfare, which often effectively prohibits even small amounts of work those people might otherwise want to do, doesn't change that.

And who cares if some small proportion of people just want the basics and aren't willing to work more? Do you literally want to force them with death to make them work? Why? They don't want to be there, they're unhappy to be there, they aren't motivated, they aren't productive. And I don't blame them!

And now you think I’m not? Why? Because I didn’t roll over and agree with everything you said?

Because you responded to something easily observable with the brainless "doubt".

You are either trolling or just remarkably stupid. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt.

[–] HughJanus@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

And who cares if some small proportion of people just want the basics and aren't willing to work more?

Not "work more". Work at all. Because society needs people to work to function. Money doesn't grow on trees, it represents other people's time. If there's no time, there's no money. Money just becomes completely without value .

Do you literally want to force them with death to make them work?

What even the fuck are you talking about?

Because you responded to something easily observable with the brainless "doubt".

Buddy your position is the only thing here that's brainless.

You are either trolling or just remarkably stupid. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt.

I see we're persisting with the personal insults. I think it's pretty clear you have no interest in an honest and productive discussion and simply desire to lambast those who disagree with you. I have no interest in such a discussion, so you can be gone, thanks.

[–] darq@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Yeah piss off little troll.

[–] ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

So can you, thanks.