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What are you talking about?
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/add-or-remove-search-engine-firefox#w_add-a-search-engine-from-the-address-bar
That took me like two second to find. You can also use addons, like this one for Qwant:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/qwantcom-for-firefox/?utm_source=addons.mozilla.org&utm_medium=referral&utm_content=search
Which I like. But none of this is hard or "obfuscated", and it's literally identical to changing or adding a new search engine on Waterfox.
I have a lot of issues with Mozilla, not least of which is their reliance on Google for income. It's like hiring a dingo as a babysitter. But c'mon, man.
Okay so I remember when in setting I could just add search engines, why remove that feature? Why not have the add from search bar as well as in settings?
That doesn't make sense? How would you have the "add from search bar" feature in the settings screen?
It's a context specific method of adding a search engine - you add it when you're at the site. Meanwhile the setting screen is global for the browser.
Sorry I miss typed, would it make sense to of left the custom search engine option in settings whilst also adding the ad from search bar option?
Maybe. But even if that was the case, the way it is now isn't obfuscated. It's not difficult. It's not hard to find out how to do it. You made a big long post to complain about an "obfuscated" feature that I found in under a minute.
Next time, either do a search or ask for help, instead of whinging like a n00b. Or worse, some kind of Google FUD-spreading parasite.
FFS, Jesus Wept. I finally understand those blokes over at FreeBSD telling me to RTFM twenty years ago.
Edit: Apparently, the synonym for complain I used before was offensive. It was not the "B" word, which I only use in reference to female dogs. Just wanted that to be clear.
Part of the vocal few, most people seem to agree that googles relationship to Mozilla is negative, and it doesn't matter that you'd find the answer by searching for it, what does matter is that there was a perfectly adequate solution that is now gone for no rhyme or reason, and not one person here has said why removing the option is beneficial but what ever, this conversation has become petty and I don't care for the direction you've taken
TL;DR: Don't lay this one on me, buddy. You walked in here looking for a fight.
I didn't much care for the direction you started in. If you wanted an actual discussion, then opening with hostility and claims that could be refuted if you'd bothered with less than a minute of research is the wrong way to go.
If you want a civilized discussion, you have to start with a civilized post. My responses have been no more hostile than your opening salvo.
As it happens, Google's influence over Mozilla is of massive concern to me. And I agree that the change was not needed. But it's not obscure, it's not hard to find out how to do what you wanted to do, and your hostility to responses suggesting DuckDuckGo only confirmed my suspicion that you didn't want an answer, you wanted a fight.
So I gave you one.
Here's the deal. If you walk into a place with guns blazing, you don't get to act all surprised and indignant when someone fires back.
Very petty
Yes. It is. And so was doing a big complainy rant without doing any research.
Again: if you want polite discourse, you have to open with that, not rant and get mad about it later. You set the standard, I just went along with it.
I don't believe you'd read the body of my post. As I'd never said default search engine couldn't be changed
So point is that while your saying I didnt do research what gave you that impression. My dispute is with obfuscation
It's not obfuscated if it takes less than a minute to find the answer, dude.
I liked it better the old way, but the feature isn't hidden.
ETA: My point is you don't get to complain when people reflect back the energy you put out.
The dictionary definition of obfuscation means to purposely obscure , make harder, and there is no mention of a time frame. So with the add by URL gone from settings and a limited amount of defaults search engine thats are all shit and no clear reasoning for the removal of that setting then how does that not fit the definition of obfuscation.
I definitly can complain as can you and anyone else. I am admittedly stoborn (not for stobornness sake or pride) but I have not resorted to name calling
You know, I had a big long thing about my local grocery store obfuscating the peanut butter, but I deleted it. I think I'm just gonna let this one go.
Look, dude, I think we probably caught each other at a bad time or something. I'm not generally this confrontational, and I kinda doubt you are either. I'm sorry I dragged it out so far, and I'm sorry I responded the way I did to your expression of frustration.
I'll try to be better. Have a great day, yeah?
Not a problem till next time, and you too buddy have great day