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What can we do to re-shape society for the better? (lemmy.ml)
submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by testman@lemmy.ml to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml
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If top of the society is immoral psychopaths with power, and most of the society is composed of people with good intentions, then there is not much hope for "beta uprising" until things go way beyond point of recovery, because powerful psychopaths will not let their power get taken away.

Not sure if this is just evolutionary biology, but this cycle of psychopaths at the top has been going on since when, at least ancient Egypt. And in all these thousands of years, the system that enables this cycle got way more reinforced than it got dismantled.

So is it maybe better idea to put benevolent people's energy towards designing and preparing a new societal system that will have built-in mechanisms for preventing corruption and malevolence? "prepare" as in get ready to implement for when the current messed up system is about to grind to a halt and collapse? Well, it would be best to figure out how to go full Benevolent Theseusβ„’ by replacing parts of currently failing system with the corruption-proof ones.

What are some resources related to this topic? Recearch on societal dynamics, designing political systems, examples of similar revolutions that already happened, etc. Post any links that you consider relevant

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[–] agressivelyPassive@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have to say, I'm pretty sure the US approach of seeming hyper democracy (voting for the local garbage men boss, sheriffs, etc) is actually detrimental to democracy in practice. You're flooded with choices that you can't reasonably be expected to be able to actually make an informed decision about. Simply because of time constraints, you can't study garbage policy issues 4h a day, every day, after work.

[–] Hazdaz@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Maybe don't take your knowledge of US politics from TVs and movies. It's not that complicated and that's one of the reasons why there are political parties - it is pretty reasonable to assume that if one is registered as a Democrat then they follow most democratic party ideals. And if they are registered as a Republican, then they are a worthless piece of shit. It makes picking your candidate easier even ot is an imperfect system.

[–] agressivelyPassive@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

So what is the point of voting, if the candidates are pre selected like that anyway? It's no different from voting, say, the city council once and then letting them decide.

The current system is the simulation of a democracy.

[–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml -5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

it is pretty reasonable to assume that if one is registered as a Democrat then they follow most democratic party ideals.

Democratic Party Ideals are fucking fucking garbage though. I don't want Public-Private partnerships. I dont want unbridled capitalism. I dont' want to compromise with coal barons who sacrifice the environment for their personal wealth and power. I don't want a party that is funded by billionaires and will immediately sacrifice ideals if someone pays them.

I especially don't' want a party that accepts "former" republican's into it's ranks, and think that is a good thing.

[–] Hazdaz@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh here we go!

This level of disconnect from reality is painful. Why don't you just hand the keys to our government to the Red Menace now and be done with it? Why even pretend?

[–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

If by "The Red Menance" you mean Full Communism Now, then yea, I'd do that immediately and I don't pretend not to. Let me spell it out for you. FUCK CAPITALISM, FUCK THE PARTIES OF CAPITAL.

[–] Hazdaz@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

The red menace is the fascists of the Republican Party, but your last post said all I needed to hear to know you're a clueless edgel0rd.

Hey comrade, why don't you book a flight to the communist utopia of North Korea and leave the the evil capitalistic countey you live in now?