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What are some book series like Harry Potter [quaint, pleasant, deep lore] but less childish and bigoted? (lemmy.world)

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i love asoiaf but it's hard to start rereading atm of course

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[–] ltxrtquq@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I do find it interesting that creatures being themselves is more problematic than all of the murder, torture, abuse and pain the characters experience.

I don't even know what you're referring to here. Are you thinking that the abuse the house elves are subjected to is not as bad as them "wanting" to be enslaved?

as long as the story gives something to think about, im happy with it.

I'm not convinced. You don't seem to really want to think about the story. We're shown, very clearly, that at least some of the elves want to be free, but the very next time they're brought up we're told "no, elves were born to be slaves. Slavery is their natural state, don't question it or try to change anything," which just might be more indicative of the author injecting her worldview than a good point about respecting others' cultures.

In conclusion: im a white male slave apologist and i should be cancelled. oh and i probably support trump too. i must be really dumb and brainwashed if i enjoy a book about wizards with a character named “Cho Chang” or whatever else is in your videos.

Your persecution fetish is showing.

[–] quackers@lemmy.blahaj.zone -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Harry's whole life and the plot.
No, you see that because it's what you want to see. She's nuts but not pro slavery, and I think thats obvious to most readers. Not so much a persecution fetish, more preemptively compiling the type of stuff someone with your worldview might say.
I just try to see the nuance in things rather than making everything black and white. Unfortunately we live in a world of extremes now and this "problematic" shit is one side of it that ticks me off. The "muh libtards" gang makes just as little sense. End of the day, im probably just using you to vent, so thanks for listening.

[–] ltxrtquq@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

Harry’s whole life and the plot.

Oh, well you see, the bad things that happen to Harry are depicted as bad by the book, whereas the slavery of the house elves is depicted as a good thing, or at least how things should be. The characters don't just shrug off someone's death and say "they'd be happy to have died for the cause," but they do say "house elves are happy to work, so we shouldn't end their slavery." That's the problematic part, and what makes it worse and worth talking about.

No, you see that because it’s what you want to see. She’s nuts but not pro slavery, and I think thats obvious to most readers.

She's very pro- house elf slavery. I don't know how you're reading the book (or just the wiki page in this case) and coming to another conclusion. The person trying to free them is seen as ridiculous, every character besides her thinks she's a hopeless idealist who doesn't know how the world works for wanting to end slavery, and even the main character sides more with the "why is she so upset about this" side than "we should end slavery".