this post was submitted on 11 Sep 2023
121 points (92.3% liked)
Asklemmy
43970 readers
818 users here now
A loosely moderated place to ask open-ended questions
Search asklemmy ๐
If your post meets the following criteria, it's welcome here!
- Open-ended question
- Not offensive: at this point, we do not have the bandwidth to moderate overtly political discussions. Assume best intent and be excellent to each other.
- Not regarding using or support for Lemmy: context, see the list of support communities and tools for finding communities below
- Not ad nauseam inducing: please make sure it is a question that would be new to most members
- An actual topic of discussion
Looking for support?
Looking for a community?
- Lemmyverse: community search
- sub.rehab: maps old subreddits to fediverse options, marks official as such
- !lemmy411@lemmy.ca: a community for finding communities
~Icon~ ~by~ ~@Double_A@discuss.tchncs.de~
founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
Model train collectors don't typically engage in murder and human trafficking
Motorcycles don't traffick people, people do. Most people who ride motorcycles together love their hobby. Some folks even use it as a gateway to help others:
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/06/nyregion/staten-island-bikers-child-abuse-nonprofit.html
And some of those people who ride bicycles form criminal gangs literally called "Motorcycle Club" to traffick women and drugs and your PR link doesn't change that
Well then you could also make a point that insert group like say memers have some people who do insert bad thing let's go with using pepe the frog as a symbol for fascism and because of that memers are bad.
My point is the bad people aren't the bikers it's the human traffickers. The same way in my analogy the bad people aren't the memers they r the fascists.
99 percent of people that ride motorcycles that I have ever met are inconsiderate assholes. The crime is an easy point to bring up against them, but if you've ever had a neighbor that rode a motorcycle you don't need a whole lot of motivation to dislike them. I had a neighbor once with a loud ass bike. Everyone that lived around him complained about it (amongst loads of other bullshit) and he would always say something along the lines of "loud pipes save lives.โ I'll preface this next part by saying I don't wish ill on anybody, and I don't take joy in the death of anyone. But fast forward a few months and the dumb sonovabitch rear ends a pickup while going 110 in a 35. Hate that he died but the neighborhood was so much better without him and his biker buddies around after that.
I ain't saying there aren't bikers that are decent people, but I can count the ones I've personally met on one hand.
My neighbour does ride a bike they just rnt an asshole. I mean all the bikers I've met have been great people, but I don't say bikers can't be bad. I just say the group itself isn't necessarily bad and therefore we shouldn't judge bikers for being bikers, only assholes for being assholes and to continue the memer analogy. All of the dedicated memers I've met have been terrible people I mean racist, ableist, sexist they've basically been everyist. I'm being entirely honest here, not exaggerating for the purposes of analogy. I don't judge dedicated memers for being a memer. I judge them for being racist n all.