A Palestinian man who was detained by Israeli forces in occupied East Jerusalem said he has been physically abused after officers brutally beat him and branded the Star of David on his cheek, according to Israeli media reports.

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[–] glimse@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Forcibly taking land from a group of people who did nothing wrong to give it to another group of people is not OK, full stop.

I think it's important for the Jews to have their own nation.

It's not important for us to have our own nation at all because we are not a political party. Are we not able to live with other people?

Let's be clear about something: the nation of Israel and the Jewish people are two different things. Anyone who claims that their religion needs its own nation is not doing so in service of the religion or it's people, they are fighting for their own political power.

[–] Spzi@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Forcibly taking land from a group of people who did nothing wrong to give it to another group of people is not OK, full stop.

Yes, obviously.

the nation of Israel and the Jewish people are two different things.

Yes.

Anyone who claims that their religion needs its own nation is not doing so in service of the religion or it’s people, they are fighting for their own political power.

I feel that's a bit too simplistic. 'Jewish people' can refer to religion, but also to culture, or descent. Neither of which have to overlap. Most importantly, it does not really matter how the individual identifies themselves to get into trouble for 'being jewish', but what others project onto this for their own political power.

I'd be happy to cease this point and agree there is no necessity if we have, say, 200 years of no persecution. I agree it should be possible to live in multi-cultural peace without distinct nations, but I also recognize it wasn't the case in the past. And I'm afraid it still isn't the case in the present in many places.