You're looking at my analogy the wrong way. I'm saying that if a racist said they didn't want to play with black people as they don't see them as equal, we wouldn't give them the time of day, so why do we give bigoted women the time of day because they refuse to accept transwomens gender?

[–] RickRussell_CA@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

if a racist said they didn’t want to play with black people

If the larger community proposed a restricted class for black people, we would still listen to black people about whether they thought it was a good idea, not the racists.

The previous commenters' statement that we need to listen to the women in the women's restricted participation class, with respect to rule changes for the women's restricted class, is valid. I think you've jumped to a conclusion that women chess players would oppose including trans chess players, without a basis in fact. It's not clear to me that proposed restrictions on trans participation are actually coming from women participants.

But if women players are concerned about the effect of including trans players (whatever effect that may be), clearly we should listen to them. The limited participation women's class exists to serve the needs of the women in that class.

[–] vashti@feddit.uk 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It's more like a tiny minority of cis women think all trans people should be shot at dawn and they get all the press, and are the only ones permitted to be acknowledged as "true women" with rights and shit—ironically.

source, am woman who really doesn't care where people piss and shit and thinks we can't get evidence on whether trans people have advantages in sport or not unless we let them, y'know, do sport

[–] RickRussell_CA@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I think similarly. If, as a previous commenter implied, the main concern is discomfort related to social mixing between men and women participants, then the vast majority of female chess players are probably fine with including transwomen. But it's their restricted class and they should be full stakeholders in any decisions.

I think every sport has its own challenges regarding trans/intersex participation in restricted women's classes, and it's certainly not my role to tell women participating in those classes that they should accept participants with male genetics. I'm 100% behind social acceptance of trans identity, but athletic contests add a dimension that I am in no way qualified to comment on.