LOL, I just don't even know what to say here. You do realize that when the Europeans subjugated China it was, in part, through naval superiority? Specifically, China did not have a blue ocean navy. China didn't emerge from that subjugation until 1949, and then didn't actually manage to do much more than stabilize it's society in the subsequent years. FFS, Hong Kong was only returned to China from British domination and occupation in the late 1990s.

China's navy was developed under these conditions, after WW2, after the US nuked 2 civilian cities in the Pacific, after the US became the world super power, after the end of the USSR. China is the one who has been denied freedom of navigation in the South China Sea. When China pushes against the psychotic imperialist West and it's proxies, that is not China denying freedom of navigation anymore than slaves revolting against their owners is the slaves denying their owners peace and prosperity.

The entire concept of freedom of navigation is a relational one. Raising points about China while ignoring the relationship with the world super power who, under Obama, decided to move 60% of its military assets to the Pacific Theater, is just anemic thinking.

[–] Zoboomafoo@yiffit.net -2 points 1 year ago

Right on cue

[–] AmberPrince@kbin.social -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hey look. A tankie that has no idea what the fuck they are talking about. I am shocked. Territorial waters are defined as 12 nautical miles typically from the shore. These are defined by the United Nations that China is a part of and agreed to. There is a reason why China is literally building fake islands to increase it's territorial water claim there.

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Territorial waters are defined as 12 nautical miles typically from the shore

BY WHOM IS IT DEFINED? You don't need to answer the question here. We all know the answer. It's the "rules-based international order", you know, the one invented by white genociders that dominated and subjugated 80% of the world population. But do go on about how the definition of territorial waters is perfectly compatible with the US encircling China with nuclear capabilities, occupying much of the region, colonizing and subjugating various indigenous peoples on various islands so they can test weapons and prepare for war. It's CHINA that's being a problem.

There is a reason why China is literally building fake islands to increase it’s territorial water claim there.

Awww, what's the matter? Are you upset when the fake rules that whitey made to dominate the globe are sometimes used by non-whites to game the system in small ways that show everyone just how vacuous and bankrupt the West really is?

How about you focus on things like why China is even the UN at all, how the US refused to let the PRC into the UN and instead decided that the KMT should be at the UN despite the KMT prosecuting the White Terror and mass murdering people by the thousands for so much as suggesting that maybe they should end the civil war officially and integrate with China now that the PLA had demonstrated they had the overwhelming majority of popular support.

[–] AmberPrince@kbin.social -5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I like that in all of your rambling, despite directly quoting me, you carefully evaded explaining why China would want to build fake islands and expand it's territorial waters.

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What a loser response. It's obvious to everyone why they want to expand their territorial waters - to push out the US and other North Atlantic fascists and create a defensible perimeter against US nuclear encirclement. It's not like this is a secret. The secret is that treating it like a secret is a propaganda tactic to make something that is quite literally out in the open into something nefarious as a way of distracting from the fact that the reason they are doing it is because the USA is a mass murdering fascist regime

[–] AmberPrince@kbin.social -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So what you're saying is, China is trying to deny freedom of navigation in the South China Sea? If you agree with me why are we even having this discussion.

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 1 year ago

Because they are projecting force into their own sphere of influence to displace North Atlantic genocidal maniacs but you seem to be saying that this cannot stand and China must be stopped.