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Human life begins at some point after conception but before birth. Therefore, there comes a point in pregnancy at which abortion ends a human life.
I don't think most people disagree with this. I think my country's law draws the line at 3 months for general abortions without health reasons. Other countries do have it similar. Only the weird authoritarian countries are banning it. And I don't know of any country that loosens the rules.
I'd argue it's actually further in the opposite direction. I don't really think it's an unpopular position either when put to the test.
Humans like to qualify our soul with what essentially amounts to sapience. When do we become unique?
I'll be having another kid soon. Those first few months after birth they may as well still be in the womb for as much human understanding they have going on. While there is some, it's less human and more animal instinct. You really don't see true uniqueness come through until a year or longer. Let alone going the eugenics route where people agree being born without a brain or similar bouts of very removed cognitive function.
Why we give more more rights to a bundle of cells barely different than any other animal that young, over the 1-2 fully sapient parents that are LITERALLY part of the child. The mom even greater so during pregnancy, is right out.
What people don't like hearing, is that we are beholden to our biology. We grow attached to a fetus or baby before they become truly human and unique.
And it's good and just to provide all three parties protection. Because the bonds we form with family don't have to be strictly human. But providing more protection to a possible future entity with no current true will, with humanity in only the strictest genetic sense at that moment, and no sapience, over a mom, is insanity.
The way our laws and society work requires arbitrary lines in the sand though. This is why we apply liberal margins of safety to catch most everything on the bell curve. Rather than legislating using outliers and extremes as the norm like Republicans like to pretend are issues.
So many points of the topic are tried using the strictest sense of biological definitions like reflexes of a fetus, but completely ignore stuff like imprinting for the parents. Because in reality those protections for the fetus are also humanizing the parents loss if something happens. No parent wants to hear ope, try for another. So many try and try and unfortunately entropy is a bitch.
My country recently changed it from "only if the mother's life is in danger" to "any time in the first three months; after that, the mother's life must be in danger".
Maybe I'm just terminally online, and most people have more detailed opinions than one normally sees on social media.
I think online the topic has broadly fallen into either “no abortion ever” or “abortion is always okay” and most people’s opinion falls somewhere in between.
Like, I think most people would agree that abortion the day a baby is due is wrong and most believe that abortion the day after conception is okay
I think this is backed by science and consensus for most people except for some religious nuts.
What science tells us is that human life has been continuous since the first life on earth.
Define Life, because i see many people every day that i wouldn't count as alive, just basically walking Corpses...
Another commenter here believes that human life begins about 4 years after birth. Interesting to see the differences in opinion on this subject.
I am die-hard pro-choice, and this is still an obvious no-brainer....and yet there are a faction of pro-choice absolutists willing to murder me for stating that fact.