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[–] Allero@lemmy.today 52 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Let's not get astray here.

The reason El Salvador stopped using Bitcoin as a legal tender is not because it's some sort of failed experiment (it had issues, but still), but due to continuous pressure of IMF interested in maintaining a US dollar-centric economy.

El Salvador is reliant on US dollars in its economy, which puts it under heavy US influence. Knowing Salvadoran currency wouldn't be strong, Nayib Bukele suggested an alternative option - risky, volatile, but free from pressure of other countries and strongly appreciating in the long run. IMF didn't like it, and that's where we are.

So, when you cheer Bitcoin not being legal tender anymore, you also cheer US and IMF projecting power over the country.

Well, also, they just cut a deal with Marco Rubio to be America’s prison, so they must’ve figured that was more lucrative than Bitcoin and continuing to agitate the US by challenging the dollar was creating unnecessary friction.

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 44 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Its even funnier. They just straight up promised them a billion dollar loan on the condition that they abandon bitcoin.

In December, the government struck a $1.4 billion loan deal with the International Monetary Fund (IMF) that scaled back its bitcoin embrace after the lender urged officials to limit its exposure. The lender specifically advocated making acceptance of bitcoin voluntary for the private sector, which is spelled out in the hastily-approved law.

https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/lawmakers-el-salvador-rush-new-bitcoin-reform-after-imf-deal-2025-01-30/

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Hot damn why is this not the headline we are seeing

Thats what im wondering, because thats the blog post headline i first saw.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The link is still working and reuters is a huge organization so its probably an issue on your side.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Nope. Their site is always broken. It doesn't work on tor browser in strict mode. Try it.

We shouldn't be linking to such websites

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

That is hardly a valid reference point for a news source. The site even works without JS which is better than most sites.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Nope. It doesn't work with js disabled. That's the problem

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It does in librewolf, which means that Tor is just doing some extra blocking of stuff that is need for the page to load.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 1 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

The error messages says that JavaScript must be enabled. You haven't disabled JavaScript in your browser.

Update: holy crap its loading now. My best guess is that the have some reverse proxy sitting in front of the site that sometimes forces you to use JavaScript to pass through to the backend

[–] JimmyMcGill@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Exactly. The title is misleading af

They were forced to stop using Bitcoin as legal tender by external parties. The question people should be asking is why? And the answer is not that it was a failed experiment.

[–] fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Would you loan money to someone who wouldn't be able to repay if the bitcoin market crashed?

[–] FolknForage@lemm.ee 2 points 18 hours ago

“Bro, I swear this shit will pay 20% monthly”

Literally gambling.

[–] fishos@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The experiment was to move beyond external parties. They were not able to do so and returned to using external parties. Ergo "the experiment failed".

[–] JimmyMcGill@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They were forced to do it by the IMF and US

Why do you think that they’d care about it if it was failing?

[–] fishos@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So they experimented with resisting the US and IMF and it was not successful.

We call that an experimental failure.

You really don't get it. "Blockchain" was not the experiment. "Utilizing blockchain in the global economy" was the experiment.

And it failed.

[–] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] fishos@lemmy.world -2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Again, for the people in the back:

The experiment was whether or not they could be independent monetarily. Not whether or not blockchain works. But whether, in actual practice, if it could provide the monetary independence some people claim it has the power to do.

Outside influences were strong enough to overwhelm Bitcoin adoption and it succumbed to those outside influences. As an experiment seeking to test whether or not Bitcoin could resist these influences it failed.

This is how experimentation works. Now you can tweak your experiment and try again, but acting like failing at the exact thing you were trying to accomplish is somehow not an experimental failure is just delusional.

[–] JimmyMcGill@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You can argue semantics all you want

They were trying to break free using Bitcoin. It seemingly worked quite well so they were forced to stop doing it. The article title is misleading in the sense that the failure isn’t from Bitcoin (quite the contrary).

You don’t even have to be pro bitcoin to see this as something bad, but feel free to keep supporting such propaganda and external influence of politics. I’m sure it really benefits you

[–] fishos@lemmy.world -1 points 22 hours ago

"They tried to break free but it didn't work".

You know we call that a failure, right? You're the one attaching emotion to it. Did it succeed? No. Thus it failed.

It's not semantics. It's basically logic. Maybe don't try and be a sophist. I never said it couldn't be tried again. In fact I said quite the opposite: you need to see this as a failure, address why, and make changes before trying again. But you're just stuck on the word "failure" and your own preconceptions. No one thinks this was a test of "just Bitcoin". The dark markets already tested Bitcoin thoroughly over a decade ago. This was a test of real world application of Bitcoin as a a government backed currency in the hopes of avoiding outside influence. Outside influence came in and managed to remove Bitcoin - the exact thing that was trying to be proved it was immune to.

But cope harder if it helps you sleep at night.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yeah the headline is insane. This would have been a wildly successful experiment, and now is a great time to cash out.

I guess they made a deal to sell their coins to the US.

Edit: misinformation, sorry. They're not selling. they're still buying. The IMF is just forcing them to strike the word legal tender