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[–] Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 10 hours ago (13 children)

A small country took on the ENTIRE FUCKING WORLD (TWICE) and very nearly won. The second time with a lunatic at the helm.

What does it take to impress you? To what would you assign their disturbing success?

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 hours ago

What is this, the Übermensch Expanded Universe? Maybe actually learn history.

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 3 hours ago

Nazis took on world in one war, and lost.

"WE ARE THE GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD! THE PUREST OF THE PURE! STRONGEST OF THE STRONG!"

[Fights one (1) war]

"Guess we'll shoot ourselves in a bunker and lose in a big lopsided defeat."

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 0 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

At no point did they "nearly win" against the world. In World War 1 they made desperate attempts to break out of trench warfare because the blockade was obliterating their wartime economy. In World War 2 they were cooked the second they invaded the USSR and the USA landed in the UK. Those were unwinnable areas for them. Even if they eventually managed to wear down the British, the Americans were right behind them manufacturing 100 tanks a day and 15 Aircraft Carriers in 1943 alone. Which means all of those tanks are getting to the European theater.

And once the USSR got it's production under way the Germans were on the defensive all the way back to Berlin.

[–] gift_of_gab@lemmy.world 0 points 6 hours ago

and very nearly won.

What the actual fuck are you talking about?

[–] DefinitelyNotAPhone@hexbear.net 0 points 6 hours ago

Germany was always the second strongest imperial power in Europe behind Britain from 1871 onwards, and without the English channel that would be debatable.

The Nazis' initial success in WW2 is entirely dependent on France falling apart the second they were invaded and the Reich getting to loot the entirety of it and the low countries to keep their economy alive. Had France put up even token resistance Germany would have imploded within a few months and the European half of the war would've been a minor footnote in the history books next to Japan invading all of Asia.

[–] sonori@beehaw.org 0 points 6 hours ago

Do Japan and Italy just not count as part of the world? I mean Japan took over half of Asia and the Pasific while Italy took the Mediterranean countries. Germany took over part of northern Europe and helped a bit of North Africa.

[–] NaevaTheRat@vegantheoryclub.org 0 points 7 hours ago

Um it did not take the entire world, for a lot of their early success most of the fighting was against countries that were unprepared and devastated after ww1.

[–] axont@hexbear.net 0 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

At no point were the Nazis close to winning. After the Soviets won the battle of Stalingrad in 1943 the Nazis were on full retreat until Berlin got captured.

Even leading up to up 1943, Germany had its oil nearly cut off. They became dependent on Romania for their supply. This may sound like a cartoon, but Nazis were dragging their tanks to the frontline using horses.

Germany simply did not have the industrial or logistic capacity to win WW2 at any point. The Nazis had already ransacked the German economy through privatization reforms and selling off anything that wasn't nailed down. Invading Poland incurred a bunch of sanctions and embargos that resulted in Germany's only primary oil trade coming from uhhh..the Soviet Union, so the Nazis had the brilliant idea of declaring war on their main source of gasoline.

[–] Bloobish@hexbear.net 0 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

What does it take to impress you? To what would you assign their disturbing success?

Meth chocolate, fascism, and taking on armies using WWI tech and tactics

[–] somename@hexbear.net 0 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

It can't be discounted the amount of luck they had early on, as well.

[–] Bloobish@hexbear.net 0 points 8 hours ago

Yup, biggest thing is that their attack, though expected by quite a few powers, came out of left field and add in the rushing forward on armies still using cavalry units and the early massive land grab via Germany makes sense

[–] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 0 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

To what would you assign their disturbing success?

Material support from the Western ruling class who wanted Hitler to destroy communism for them.

[–] Bloobish@hexbear.net 0 points 9 hours ago

This, the biggest mistake Germany made was interfering with dominant western European capital (i.e. the US, UK, and France). If they had just devoured the eastern European countries and fought Russia then capital would not have batted an eye.

[–] droplet6585@lemmy.ml 0 points 10 hours ago

Small country? They were a highly industrialized, highly educated and still quite materially wealthy colonial power going into the wars. They didn't need to be competent. Enough people went along with them and there was plenty of residual wealth to burn on the war machine.

You don't need to be an architect to burn down a building.