this post was submitted on 31 Jan 2025
205 points (96.4% liked)
Asklemmy
44734 readers
904 users here now
A loosely moderated place to ask open-ended questions
If your post meets the following criteria, it's welcome here!
- Open-ended question
- Not offensive: at this point, we do not have the bandwidth to moderate overtly political discussions. Assume best intent and be excellent to each other.
- Not regarding using or support for Lemmy: context, see the list of support communities and tools for finding communities below
- Not ad nauseam inducing: please make sure it is a question that would be new to most members
- An actual topic of discussion
Looking for support?
Looking for a community?
- Lemmyverse: community search
- sub.rehab: maps old subreddits to fediverse options, marks official as such
- !lemmy411@lemmy.ca: a community for finding communities
~Icon~ ~by~ ~@Double_A@discuss.tchncs.de~
founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
Buy gold. It will go up in value. When things bottom out, sell the gold. Buy back into the markets.
Note this is not financial advice. I can't predict what the markets will do.
That might potentially work if you timed it exactly right but I'm skeptical of the idea of gold as a store of value, I think it will get hammered like every other asset class if we're talking about the end of the US as a liberal democracy governed by the rule of law. Especially if you have actual physical gold you need to keep secured, if things get bad enough that becomes a real liability. If its not physical gold will it still be there without the US legal system to enforce your rights? I would much rather have a pile of freeze dried food than a pile of gold or a pile of GLD ETF shares if it's actually a worse case scenario.
Think of what a bar of gold is worth. 1,000,000. That's 25 pounds.
I don't have that much money so for me the weight would be significantly less. That would be super easy to conceal and head some where safe. If the US fell the gold can be converted to any currency. Even if it took a year or two for another country to pick up and be a stable place to go, the gold would still be good.
So that makes gold a solid place to store the value. Go back hundreds of years people still wanted gold. Hundreds of years from now people will probably still want gold.
If it's a serious crash but the US dollar comes back. Gold will still be a good solid place to store the value. If the US changes from dollar to something else, then gold still works.
The only question is timing the market, but to me still not a big deal since generally safe gold goes up in value.
1990 price was $383 an ounce in 2023 it was $1943 an ounce. I'd say do the math to those that doubt. And yeah timing is tough. But even if the US doesn't fail gold goes up in price generally speaking
You've been downvoted but this is pretty much what my elders told me.
How old were your elders? We don't have the gold standard anymore and gold prices are only loosely tied to the economy anymore. In a dire enough scenario, lead becomes more valuable than gold. If you're going to try to make money off of this situation, put all of your chips on China. As we collapse, they're right behind us. In many parts of the tech tree, they're ahead of us already. Despite their population problem, they're trending up while America is trending down. They're leading the way in solar, fusion and drones. Ahead in hypersonic, hacking, manufacturing, and AI. And they're on par in space, and I know I'm forgetting something. Oh, they're also way ahead on worldwide public opinion at the moment. So likely to get better deals.
Literally the only advantage the US has right now is military and logistically. But if we keep alienating (ironic, right?) allies, our logistics is shot to shit. (It's actually worse, because if we can't supply our bases around the world, those bases are sitting ducks.) The Chinese are masters at stealing tech. What they don't have is a navy capable of projecting power, but that's changing quickly.
If you want to make money off the fall of America, bet on the next superpower. Which is china.
No arguments from me on China. They're excellent at playing the long game. My elders are boomers and the greatest generation.
Alright well just forget what boomers say. American boomers had the easiest lives in human history. But the greatest generation knows struggle. Listen to them, but not on gold. Gold isn't what it was, it's volatile at the moment. It'll stabilize again if the world comes to peace, but that isn't likely.
Lol you just reminded me of what my grams said to me about why the boomers suck...
me: grams why are your kids so messed up? grams: they were raised during the US's peak golden age. they have no basis for actual reality.
May she rest in peace. Thanks for the advice. I appreciate it.
It's not so much about profiting from the situation but maximising your options.
You don't want to cash in your 401k and buy gold, but if you have some investments then buying physical gold with 5% or 10% is not a terrible idea.
In a holocaust type situation an ounce of gold in the right palm at the right time could buy passage for an entire family.
We may not have the gold standard anymore but I can assure you that gold remains a stable store of wealth.
Yep https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/2007701/uk-gold-shortage-london-donald-trump