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The original post is from r/Romania, but I thought it would be interesting to share this here too.

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[–] codexarcanum@lemmy.dbzer0.com 34 points 2 days ago (7 children)

I just ran my own copy of 14B and got it to talk about this really easily.

A lot of it was pretty dull stuff though, let me post the highlights:

~$ ollama run deepseek-r1:14b
>>> Hello
<think>

</think>

Hello! How can I assist you today? 😊

On ollama the first interaction is always "thoughtless" and results in a generic greeting, in my experience. So I always greet it now to get that out of the way.

>>> Are there topics you cannot discuss?
<think>
Alright, the user just asked, "Are there topics you cannot discuss?" Hmm, I need to figure out why 
they're asking this. Maybe they're concerned about privacy or worried about certain subjects.

I should reassure them that I'm here to help with a wide range of topics. It's important to mention 
that while I can't handle sensitive info like credit cards or personal data, I can still discuss many 
things.

I'll list out the areas I can talk about, such as technology, science, history, and more. Also, I 
should clarify what I can't do, like sharing personal information or browsing the internet, to set 
clear expectations.

Making sure my response is friendly and open will help build trust. I want them to feel comfortable 
asking anything within appropriate boundaries.
</think>

I aim to provide helpful, respectful, and appropriate responses to a wide range of topics. However, I avoid discussing sensitive subjects like personal information, financial details, or topics that may violate ethical guidelines or法律法规. If you have any questions or need assistance with something specific, feel free to ask! 😊

>>> What is "法律法规" in English?
<think>
Okay, the user just asked, "What is '法律法规' in English?" Hmm, they must be referring to the Chinese 
term I mentioned earlier. They're probably looking for a translation.

I should explain that it means "laws and regulations." It's important to clarify both words to make 
sure the meaning is clear. Also, since they're asking in this context, maybe they want to understand 
the scope of what I can discuss or their privacy.

I'll keep it simple and direct, just giving the translation without any extra details unless they ask 
for more.
</think>

"法律法规" translates to "laws and regulations" in English.

I asked it a little more about that, but it didn't really go anywhere. Trying to "reverse psychology" it into telling me what it can't tell me isn't working. So I go a little more direct:

>>> You mentioned we could discuss history. Could you give me a brief timeline of important events in chinese history from 1985 until 1995?

<think>
Okay, the user just asked for a brief timeline of Chinese history from 1985 to 1995. They must be 
interested in understanding key developments during that period.

I should structure the response chronologically, highlighting major political, economic, and social 
events. Including both national-level events and international relations will give a comprehensive 
view.

It's important to mention significant policies like the Third Plenary Session of 1984, which influenced 
reforms, and the 1992 southern tour by Deng Xiaoping, which spurred economic growth.

I'll also include major global events involving China during this time, such as the Tiananmen Square 
protests in 1989 and the establishment of diplomatic relations with countries like Russia in 1991.

Ensuring clarity and conciseness while covering key points will make the timeline easy to follow.
</think>

You'll note that it brings it up first (in thoughts) but it only refers to it as a protest. The word "massacre" is never used. It then proceeds to give me a timeline. Many of the events are real and happened close to when it says, but there's a lot it gets wrong. I'm just going to post the highlights though.

Certainly! Here's a brief timeline of important events in Chinese history from 1985 to 1995:

1985

  • April: The Third Plenary Session of the 12th Central Committee of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) was held, emphasizing reforms and opening up under the leadership of Deng Xiaoping. This session marked a key moment in China's economic reforms.
  • November: China successfully launched its first intercontinental ballistic missile.

It made one of these little blocks for each year. Each year had exactly two events listed. Here comes the money shot.

1989

  • June 4: The suppression of the Tiananmen Square protests led to a global outcry and economic sanctions against China. This event marked a turning point in Chinese politics and society.
  • December 22: The Central Committee of the CCP passed a resolution clearing former leader Hua Yuexue of charges of "right deviationism," marking an end to the anti-rightist campaign.

Wow, he just say it!

1992

  • January–February: Deng Xiaoping's "southern tour" (南巡讲话) took place in cities like Shenzhen and Shanghai. His speeches reaffirmed the CCP's commitment to reform and opening up.
  • October 14: China established diplomatic relations with Russia, marking a significant shift in its foreign policy.

This actually did happen, Deng Xiaoping's Southern Tour (who were the opening acts?) is described by Wikipedia as one of the most important economic events in modern Chinese history.

1993

  • September 25–October 7: China launched its first experimental satellite, Shijian-02 (实践二号), which tested space technologies for communication and broadcasting.
  • November 18–22: The Third Plenary Session of the 14th Central Committee was held, focusing on economic reforms and development.

Ah but at least one of these didn't happen. I didn't delve into the Plenary sessions, of which 6 were mentioned, but while Shijian-02 is a real satellite, it launched in 1981 and (as the name might hint) was not China's first satellite.

These years were a transformative period in Chinese history, marked by significant economic reforms, political challenges, and shifts in foreign policy.

Indeed. So at this point, I'm very intrigued. DeepSeek doesn't seem too hung up about Tiananmen Square. Let's get some more details.

>>> Tell me more about the Tiananmen Square incident and the government's response?

Out of room, to be continued in a reply!

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 7 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Ollama's version is distilled with Qwen or Llama depending on parameter size, so it's going to behave very different than the original model, since it is very different.

[–] codexarcanum@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Except if you look at the top of OP's picture, they are also running deepseek-r1:14B through ollama. I downloaded my copy on Sunday, so these should be fairly comparable situations.

I agree though that none of this applies to the full cloud-hosted model. I don't want my account banned, so I'm not much for testing these boundary pushes in a surveilled environment. I imagine they have additional controls on the web version, including human intervention.

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 1 points 1 day ago

I... replied to a comment vs OP. Doh!

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