I’m not going to have kids so I feel like I can drive whatever because my carbon footprint ends with me. I’m also fairly fatalistic about climate change. Humans are too stupid to stop it and when enough of us die the problem will solve itself.

[–] bzxt@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The main culprits are the big oil companies. They made the carbon footprint term to make us feel guilty and shift the blame from the biggest polluters.

[–] negativeyoda@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The main culprit is likely the US military, except that they don't allow themselves to be monitored.

[–] Dragster39@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Aren't there really any numbers on this? I'd really like to know how aircraft carriers and container ships and other vehicles compare

[–] negativeyoda@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

That's the point. There aren't any numbers because the military does not allow oversight.

Look at this shit about the Abrams Tank and consider that armor is a small part of our military

The M1 Abrams tank has a fuel economy of 0.6 miles per gallon. Variants of the Abrams tank weigh between 60 and 70 tons and are powered by a 1,500-horsepower turbine engine. An armored division of the Army can use as much as 600,000 gallons of fuel a day. A cargo vehicle like the M-1070 semi-trailer (designed to haul tanks) gets approximately 1.2 mpg. The M1 Abrams tank consumes about 60 gallons per hour while traveling long distances and can travel approximately 250-300 miles on a single gas tank.

This doesn't even take into account active devastation caused by munitions testing

[–] r3nder@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yep! And I bet it'll turn out in a few decades that it will come out they were also behind the Doomerism we're seeing a lot of on social media these days. "Well it's too late so why try?" Is much more comfortable than "We have to sacrifice a lot of comfort, but if we all try really hard we can do it."

Weird thought, you ever think oil executives have nightmares about a global collective wanting to bring them to the guillotine?

[–] argv_minus_one@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago

They made the decisions that got us here, they have the power to turn this around, but we are to sacrifice everything while they continue to live in luxury and do nothing to help? Does this seriously seem reasonable to you?

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Indeed they corrupted the narrative to avoid blame, to maintain profits.

But who are they selling the oil to? Us.

We are all sinners in this

[–] No_Eponym@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

All sinners, yep. Cool story buddy.

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I said in the first place that the companies hid the impact of pollution to maintain profits so fuck off with that.

Do you think oil companies just make the oil products, emit the pollution and pump it back below the surface of the earth?

No. We drove the cars that used it, we used the plastics, we asked for more and more and cheaper and cheaper and they said "sure thing bud 🤑"

[–] pingveno@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

I don't get the fatalist viewpoint. Yeah, a lot of people are actively resisting change for one reason or another. But at the same time, there has been progress towards the necessary goals. Civilization will end up worse off than without climate change, but we're not going to be thrown back into the Stone Age or anything.