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If only you could deal with the facts, it'd be an interesting discussion, but best you can pull is childish negation of anything that could shake up your poorly educated opinions. Afraid your western-individualist petite bourgeoisie 'personality' will be ruined by confronting reality?
Oh I am dealing with facts. Russia is aligned with the global majority against the racist colonial west. Afraid your western-individualist petite bourgeoisie ‘personality’ will be ruined by confronting reality?
OK, so what about sponsoring neonazis?
You mean the way the west has been since 2014 in Ukraine?
Let's say they do. How is that worse, or equal, to clearly sponsoring them it at least 4 much larger European countries?
I don't care about moralizing. Not being an utter psychopath, I want to avoid wars and people dying. NATO created the conditions for war through it's actions over many decades since the dissolution of USSR. Now hundreds of thousands of people died, while sickos living in NATO countries continue to cheers this on.
Yeah, nazis growing to power has never lead to any deaths. You serious?
Even if NATO did that it's Russian soldiers bombarding cities, and and Russian soldiers in Ukraine. You want to stop wars, everything that needs to be done is them going back to their country. Oh, and maybe, just maybe, the "sickos" simply know what Russian occupation of their countries looked like, some first hand? You ever consider that, or is there simply one side who has any rights?
Again, the whole reason the war is still going is because NATO stopped negotiations that could've ended it two months in. It's western fascists such as yourself who are ensuring the killing goes on. The blood is on your hands.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/11/18/russia-vetoes-sudan-ceasefire-resolution-at-un-security-council nato threathening the Sudani border of Russia as well? All Russia has to do to stop a war is getting the fuck out of Ukraine, and the killing stops.
Oh look more moralizing. The difference between me and you is that I'm not trying to have some moral high ground here. I just want the war to stop. You're the one who keeps trying to make it out like the war is all Russia's fault. Meanwhile, NATO scum is the reason the war continues. You should put your money where your mouth is, and go sign up for the foreign legion. Go fight some Russians and defend Ukraine since you believe in it so much. But we both know you just want other people to die for your ideals because all you fascists are cowards deep down.
I love how you trolls keep repeating it as if it's going to happen if you just say it enough times. What part of the fact that Russia won the war are you still struggling to comprehend?
I'm not acting for some abstract morals, but against pointless death, imperialist rule and growth of feudal states. Russia as it is personifies most of that.
Russia can stop the war anytime by going back to it's internationally recognized borders. And nothing says "russia won" like a film studio donating it's antique tanks to MOD, and the state having to rely on rapists and murderers to win meters of terrain 1000 days into their 2-3 day operation. You're beyond delusional. You're cheering a idiot who just destroyed the demography of his already falling dystopian state for the sake of militarizing the rest of Europe against it.
And even if he won, one thing you will see is a campaign of terror directed at Russia by the Ukrainian and broader Slav underground by which the Chechen one was only symbolic.
Given that Russia is not going to just pack up and go home having won the war, explain why you keep repeating this mantra?
And the terror campaign will likely be directed at imbeciles in Europe who have been arming and supporting fascists this whole time. Once these fascists realize you've betrayed them, they're not going to be happy about it. Meanwhile, it's funny that you brought up Chechnya, given that Chechens are now fighting along side the Russians.
Enjoy having austerity while Europe spends its every last penny militarizing. Best of luck to you with that https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/10/politics/russia-artillery-shell-production-us-europe-ukraine/index.html
If they won why is there fighting still going? And if it's still going on now and drains Russian resources and bleeds the country (as NATO intends) then why would it stop? It would seem Russia only keeps stepping deeper into NATOs trap, whether it "won" or not? Can you please check what percentage of it's GDP Europe spends militarizing vs the "winning" Russia? If I recall correctly Russian economic might could be matched by just Germany and Poland, and entire EU would be something like 3-4 times more easily? So if the European states alone want to fight it, they can do it indefinitely from Russian perspective.
As for Ukrainians, so happens I've been working with refugees, my team has been in touch with a few thousand of them, and majority of the team itself is Ukrainian or Belorussian. To put it mildly - you're out of touch with reality. You understand very little of the hatred towards Russia that it has developed. And there are new generations growing up already, who'd been thought by Russia that neither election or just accepting Russian rule is not an option if they want to survive, the only option is force. There's only that many watniks and North Koreans one can spend and still have a population that can recover. And if these are bleeding out against mostly 1980's NATO equipment and modernized soviet era tanks, this would not work out better against less corrupt and much better armed states willing to train new generations of fighters willing to fight till their land is reclaimed? If you believed what you're saying you'd understand there's no chance for Russia to actually win.
Because the fascist regime you're backing is gang pressing people into fighting. According to Bloomberg, the share of forcibly mobilized soldiers in the Ukrainian army is 75% https://archive.ph/4FVr4
Oh wow that's a fascinating theory. Let's see what somebody with an actual clue from the The Royal United Services Institute in UK has to say about that https://rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/attritional-art-war-lessons-russian-war-ukraine
Can you please check the economic crash in Germany that's unfolding due to lack of cheap energy from Russia? Guess what ramping up military industry needs, that's right lots of energy for shit like steel production.
Meanwhile in the real world https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/10/politics/russia-artillery-shell-production-us-europe-ukraine/index.html
Sure little buddy, you keep on believing that.
Oh you've been working with all the brave Ukrainian patriots who fled the fighting.
Nah, they're just gonna stay in Europe.
How to tell people that math isn't your strong suit.
People like you are a testament to the power of propaganda. The sad truth is that you believe everything you say, and you've completely left material reality we exist in. You live in a fantasy world, but thing about material reality is that it can only be ignored for so long.
And I'm going to stop here, enjoy living in your fantasies while you can cause life's gonna get real hard for people like you real soon.
Forcing with conscription as any country during war does? Wow, surprise. Let see Paul Allans army - what's the volunteer share in Russian army? How much are they paying to to volunteer nowdays? And why are there still volunteers joining Ukrainian side, forming entire battalions in the west, where they could just safely stay?
And even if they were none - you claim Ukraine is a nazi country. You probably know about "operation Gladio". How can you believe there could be peace if there's supposedly a massive Ukrainan nazi population and western fascist states willing to use them to destroy Russia, and said Russia attempts to operate on Ukrainians own territory? You're just casually expecting a CCCP vs Makhnovshchina/Holodomor or Israeli style genocide, or how else could that play out in your head?
What's your point here? Long hoping I waste time on reading a longer text with generic statements like "one should prepare for war"? Have a look at Russian reporting on Polands recent armaments. Everyone is already quite invested into that already.
Ever heard of Norway and US, the NATO countries?
You're 12 years old or something? You pick one factor, end believe it solves all or somehow compares to GDP? Clearly you don't care either about say the social securities system, nor if there's enough trucks and tracks to transport these shell, or, more importantly quality barrels and trained artillery men to accurately use them. Arrow goes up. I got some Putin NFT's to sell to you if you're that dumb.
Yeah, including Belarusian and Russians. Some 90% women, damn cowards. Should have stayed in cities daily bombarded by your peaceful friends.
There's literally tens of thousands being trained in Europe to head back to Ukraine at the very moment. You ever even talked to a real life Ukrainian or you live in your delusional bubble on the internet?
It is, just to remind you, we're already dealing with people Russia attempts to kill either by forcing them over Poland's eastern border, or the ones who had to escape being butchered in the name of your vision of peace in Ukraine.
You pushed this discussion into the issue of war, now you escape it after sidetracking anything that could be proved and argued based on evidence (like Ukraine being somehow necessary to invade Russia which is utter bullshit with history clearly proving you wrong, twice) and redirecting it onto issues of speculation, or lacking data.
Your ignorance and fixation on accepting only propaganda over actually visiting the countries you talk about or talking to their people insulates you from reality, while projecting your insecurity that causes onto me, where I explicitly state basis for my opinions. All you did throughout this entire discussion was cover your eyes, and attempt to insult me while blasting "RT" propaganda 1:1. I just hope you're paid for spilling this bullshit cuz otherwise you're just a classical case of a western "useful idiot" as uncle Joseph would say. Hope you get better one day, seriously.
Sure buddy, you keep on living in your dream world.
Have fun with your future deranged rumblings.
See the fun part is that we will know who is right soon enough. This isn't some philosophical debate here where there's no clear answer. Russia will win the war, Europe will be stuck dealing with a failed state in Ukraine and a bunch of angry fascist, while getting fucked economically by the US. People like you will be forced to grapple with reality at that point. So enjoy being smug while you can, those days are numbered.
Out of pure interest what does "winning the war" mean for Russia?
Ukraine clearly described what it considers as a win, and it's clearly very unlikely to achieve it; reclaiming all of it's internationally recognized borders, you know as guaranteed by Russia and US when Ukraine gave away their nukes.
But Russia's win was meant to be a parade through Kyiv on the 3rd day or so? Then that got corrected to finally capturing the oblasts they already proclaimed Russia two years ago? Now it might require also reclaiming the part of their actual country they lost, I guess? Your beloved land of social justice never really clearly defined what it's territorial objectives are, but yeah, it's not even a war, since they still land people in prison for calling it that so what's to be won.
Not to mention loosing/crippling half a million of their citizens to size the poorest but fossil fuel rich parts of Ukraine plus a bunch of cities they leveled to the ground, with an estimated 1 million casualties of on both sides "for peace". Oh, and a side of land fertile in mines. Or creating as you describe "a failed fascist state", to... secure their border? Additional 1,340km of hard to defend border with NATO in the north? Which one is the win part here?
And mate, seriously, I was born in a collapsing "socialist republic", and watched it being rampaged by neolibs with explosion of every possible pathology that causes.
It's pitiful you wish such hardships upon any people, particularly for someones imperialist gains. And laughable you think what you are describing is the worst possible option for central and eastern Europe. Most of the region has seen Russian occupation, it's in the living memory of our societies, which is exactly why things will not go the way you expect. The worse the situation, the stronger the resistance will be. We're Slavs, we bask in suffering and fighting against the odds, it's the one thing we know.
Wining the war means destroying the fighting capacity of the AFU, and ensuring that whatever is left of Ukraine remains a neutral state that can't threaten Russia and that will never be part of NATO. Also, Ukraine never had nukes. USSR stationed nukes on the territory of Ukraine, but Russia became the inheritor state of USSR.
You don't seem to understand how wars of attrition work. Everybody who was actually motivated to fight Russia signed up for the army in the first couple of years. Most of them are now dead. At this point, 75% of people fighting are conscripted against their will as Bloomberg reports. Most people left in Ukraine do not care whether it's under Russian influence or not at this point, they just want the war to end. These deranged fantasies of yours regarding some kind of guerrilla warfare are never going to happen.
It's hilarious how people like you just guzzle propaganda uncritically. Here's what the only western source that shows any methodology has to say, far cry from your fantasies I'm afraid https://en.zona.media/article/2022/05/20/casualties_eng
In fact, if you look closely at the chart, you'll see that casualties have dropped off significantly in the past year of the war because AFU fighting capacity has been degraded to the point where it's barely a functional fighting force. Don't take my word for it though, here's BBC saying that AFU is on a verge of collapse.
How do you think that's going to work out for Europe when the hardcore fascists in Ukraine decide that you lot betrayed them?
Same, the difference is that I'm not licking liberal boots the way you are.
I don't wish any hardships on anyone. That's just you projecting your own psychopathic tendencies on others. This war was completely unnecessary, and it happened because NATO decided that it would ignore Russia's security interest. Support from people like you was crucial in this. Now you get to reap what you all sowed and I have zero sympathy for you.
You're all going to be at each other's throats as your economies continue to unravel. That's what's actually going to happen as it always has throughout history. But you keep on believing whatever you need to believe until that happens.
Works great since it got from "they bombard Donbas" (propaganda bullshit btw) to "dron debris" blowing up anything from refineries, factories 1500km deep inside, buildings in Moscow and bunkers in Kurks.
Yeah, OFC, Russia and USA negotiated their handover for 6 years and paid for it just to larp.
How would you know that? Spoke to any in real life? I work with them by the hundreds in Poland, assist massive trade union in Ukraine. You're delusional.
You don't know the first thing about the history of the region, or Ukraine, dont you?
The methodology is social media + public registries. How it matches the oft repeated Russian complaint of the dead being signed off as simply missing? At this point if you started reading "mil bloggers" directly it'd be an improvement for your level of propaganda detachment. If it were 100k lost Russian army would be pretty massive now taking in 30k/month according to it's own statements, wouldn't it? So why are most if not all observable bases on NATO borders half empty? We even see that in shop sales around Kaliningrad.
Yeah, not like there's a lag in announcements and very clearly there's massive meat-wave attacks going on for the last half a year.
Why would they if they are supplied by "European fascist states" and also "have all died already, it's all forced conscription". They are forced to fight, dead, and resentful if not supported at the same time? It really makes sense in your head?
Yeah, also a very highly decorated ~~navy seal ~~ specnaz sniper... I'm more likely to believe you're a dog with the level of detachment you're displaying here.
You just said entire countries/Europe a comment ago, but I guess economic hardships or whatever that was meant to be are going to be extremely selective? You know that staff you spill out makes no sense even internally?
How does Russia consider the ones it gave to Ukraine?
So much for pretending you're from here. And yeah, check out any history of the states in the region.
Why would you lie about something that's been extensively documented in western media?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs even CNN covered this https://twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296
Let me know when that happens.
Yeah you should read up on that instead of showing what an ignoramus you are in public.
I know that because 75% of people are being forced into fighting. If you think that people who fled from fighting into Europe are gonna come back and fight you're dumber than I thought, and that's saying something. That fact that you call me delusional is really cherry on top. These people are just as likely to go back and fight as trolls like yourself. Y'all have a big mouth on you, but you'll never put yourself in danger. You're just chihuahuas.
One of us doesn't, and it's not me. Ukraine was cobbled together by USSR, and over half of Ukraine is ethnically Russia. Absolutely fucking embarrassing that you don't know this.
Meanwhile your methodology is pulling numbers out of your hairy ass.
cope harder
People who were willing to fight an actual army died. Scumbags who are hardcore criminals haven't died. They're the ones taking bribes, and gang pressing others to fight.
You've already demonstrated that you can believe the dumbest shit, so yeah makes sense.
What are you even trying to say here dumbass?
The ones that Russia tried to make work for 8 fucking years with Minsk 1 and 2 that the west now came out and said was just giving time to arm Ukraine ?
Learn some Slav history instead of trolling here dumbass. It's all Slavs fighting each other.
Anyways, you keep on believing whatever you like. Reality will set in soon enough and then you'll have to grapple with it. Have fun with that.
Interesting policy of wreaking destruction upon every "regime" that doesn't align with your hypocritically professed values, irrespective of the history of the country and how the group you want wiped out came to power in the first place.
There is a problem though, that your wish to isolate these states from diplomacy and trade does nothing more than create stripped-down capitalist states, at the mercy of London and Wall St. and their blob, the conditions and the political influences that produce these "left" and "right" neoliberal parties (for neocons are a variety of liberal, economically, despite your ahistorical use of the term). Your whole approach is mindlessly destructive and counterproductive.
The endgame of this strategy looks like Milei, like post-Gaddafi Libya. Your approach always results in starvation, rape, and murder of the population, and this collapse of society allows far right groups easy pickings.