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How is Lemmy going to make money? (lemmy.ml)

submitted 1 year ago by buda@lemmy.ml to c/lemmy@lemmy.ml

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If the reddit exodus happens and Lemmy gets even 2% of reddit's daily active users, how will Lemmy sustain the increased traffic? I know donations are an option, but I don't think long term donations will be sustainable. Most users will never donate.

I know the goal of Lemmy isn't to make money, but I know that servers and storage costs add up quickly. Not to mention the development costs.

I would love to hear the plans for how to offset those costs in the future?

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[–] communick@communick.news 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

28k€/month is not enough revenue to keep all the people who are working on Mastodon. Donations can only work if we assume that there will always be a constant flux of people willing to work for free, dealing with all the unpleasant things that most FOSS developers rather not do.

[–] nutomic@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don't know how many people work on Mastodon, but it should be enough money for around seven full time workers. Thats more than enough.

[–] Viktorian@beehaw.org 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Even if you spend all of that on salaries and everybody earns the same, 4k€/month for a software dev job for example seems low in central Europe. That's not even 50k a year. Some companies offer between 60 and 80k for entry level positions. You need closer to twice that much to be remotely sustainable with 7.

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

I got paid much more in the private sector, and all my labor was entirely pointless, and contributed absolutely nothing to the betterment of society.

I realized I'd much rather be doing important work, regardless of how much less the pay was. I read a book, called "the magic of thinking big", and one of its points was to ask the question: "What are the biggest problems in the world today? And what are you doing to solve them?"

We have one life to live, and my communist politics demand that I spend my most valuable resource, my labor time, on things that can result in the greatest benefit to humanity.

[–] communick@communick.news 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The moment you factor in the costs of employment benefits (to cover their vacation time, sick days off, fund their retirement, health insurance...) and taxes, the 4k€/ brutto quickly becomes 2k€ net.

I just hope you understand you won't be the one determining what is "more than enough" - the market is, and the market is paying a lot more than 25k€/year for any decent Javascript/Rust developer. If you have people that live in areas with low cost of living and are okay with being severely underpaid for some higher purpose, then maybe you can pull it off. But it's going to be basically impossible to find good people willing to stay for the long run with that attitude.

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

We wouldn't be working on lemmy if our goal was to be rich. We just want enough to survive and pay rent, so we can make this project better.

Once we do get to the point of us two devs being fully-funded by recurring donations on our liberapay, opencollective, patreon, etc (we're not even close yet), then we'll add more devs to our little worker co-op, and scale up as necessary.