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[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 20 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I agree, but also leave them a path to change their mind. If they admit fault, stop pressuring them. If you continue to hound them after they admit the mistake, it's likely only going to make them double down. Revenge, or whatever, doesn't help anything. We want them to recognize it was a bad decision and change their behavior in the future.

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

That was an option after 2016. Not anymore.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

What a dumb opinion. So instead we should just push them further and continue losing? Great idea.

Fight them, but you don't hurt anyone else by punishing them for improving. You hurt yourself. We should give people reasons to come to our side, not tell them they can never join our side because they weren't this time.

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

We should give people reasons to come to our side,

You say this and then there are people who say democrats were dumb to try to court the moderate republicans.

Clearly nothing that DNC can do will ever be right so fuck it.

"When they go low, we go high" worked has brilliantly for your country, hasn't it?

It's clear that these fuckwits will beat you up if you try to help them. Let them choke on the consequences of voting for a vengeful, racist, rapist conman. Maybe then they'll learn how fucking stupid they were.

[–] knatschus@discuss.tchncs.de -5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yes! When you land in jail a second time you should never be able to get out again!!!1!eleven!!!

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Trump didn't land in jail as he should've

Also, giving him presidency for the second time is not equivalent to failed rehabilitation.

Jesus I can pick apart this stupid as fuck strawman analogy in dozen different ways but you're too stupid to get it.

[–] knatschus@discuss.tchncs.de -2 points 2 weeks ago

Yes it's very different, people who voted for trump twice didn't even do something illegal.

What my criminal strawman and trump voters have in common is that they repeated mistakes and i strongly belive that there always should be a path for forgiveness

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

True, the goal is reconciliation with them once they learn to behave better

[–] CasualPenguin@reddthat.com 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yes, if we don't let the Nazis back in then we're no better than them!

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Tactics not morals. Morally they’re all fucked. I can’t imagine how they’ll build the good karma to make up for it, but tactically it’s better to encourage them to be good than to tell them they’re forever bad and so they might as well not do the hard work of improving their behavior and acknowledging the evil they’ve done

[–] madjo@feddit.nl 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

You go right ahead, but I can't anymore. We're going to mourn so many losses of good people because idiots voted for trump. Some of those idiots even voted for it 3 times!

Any trump voter in 2024 is dead to me. They had the same information as we did, including the previous presidency of that oaf. And they still chose him in large numbers! He won the fucking popular vote too. Anyone willingly voting for a fucking fascist is DEAD to me.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

The violence against my people will continue until they stop acting like this. I don’t have the privilege to act on the anger I feel unless I’m comfortable with them continuing to hurt my siblings and myself.