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Europe Can’t Fund ‘Lost’ War in Ukraine Without US, Orban Says (www.bloomberg.com)
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Europe won’t be able to finance Ukraine’s defenses against Russia’s invasion on its own if the US withdraws support under Donald Trump’s next presidency, Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban said Friday.

Orban said recent events vindicated the conclusions from his controversial July diplomatic mission to Kyiv, Moscow and Beijing and showed Ukraine was losing the war.

“The Americans are going to get out of this war,” Orban, who is hosting a European Union summit in Budapest on Friday, said on public radio. “Europe can’t finance this war on its own.”

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[–] makyo@lemmy.world -3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

If your ideas of provocation are the same as the article you provided, you're going to have to do better.

There were in fact two main U.S. provocations. The first was the U.S. intention to expand NATO to Ukraine and Georgia in order to surround Russia in the Black Sea region by NATO countries (Ukraine, Romania, Bulgaria, Turkey, and Georgia, in counterclockwise order).

  • Surely even Russia understands why people would want to expand and join NATO when they're attacking people who are not members

The second was the U.S. role in installing a Russophobic regime in Ukraine by the violent overthrow of Ukraine’s pro-Russian President, Viktor Yanukovych, in February 2014.

  • Surely even Russia understands why people would want to have and be a Russophobic regime when they're attacking people who are not violent. The protests against Yanukovych were peaceful until his regime turned on the protesters.

But why am I wasting my time arguing with you when you're obviously here for some reason to carry water for Russia?

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

The protests against Yanukovych were peaceful until his regime turned on the protesters.

That is not what happened. It is now known that that was in fact a false flag attack by CIA-backed Banderite fascists. It is also now known that the “peaceful protest” was not entirely grassroots, but rather astroturfed.

But why am I wasting my time arguing with you when you’re obviously here for some reason to carry water for Russia?

But why am I wasting my arguing with you when you’re obviously here for some reason to carry water for imperialists? The US is aiding and abetting a genocide in Palestine as we speak, yet somehow you still think we’re the good guys (though, to be fair, I wouldn’t call Russia a perfect angel, either).