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Well the entire multiplatform astroturfing campaign from people who call themselves leftists worked! Democrats stayed home instead of voting.
Now Palestine will be completely flattened with 0 resistance at all, and redoubled support and bombs for Israel! Way to go! You really showed your support for Palestine by helping this happen!
They will probably come back saying "it wasn't our fault, we just pointed out the truth" while they shouted that a vote for Harris was a vote for genocide [so don't vote for harris] from every platform that they used.
Honest question: Why blame the voters? Why not blame Harris for refusing to do the obviously correct, ethical even moral thing regarding Gaza?
The democrats are so impossibly spineless that they wait for polls and focus groups for their talking points instead of standing up for their principles (if they really exist).
Dems spent the entire campaign trying to compromise with and convince right wingers acting in bad faith instead of just working towards progressive policies. They once and again let the GOP set the tone for every conversation.
The Dem's attitude towards the genocide in Gaza is just a piece of evidence that shows their way of thinking: the dog race and politicking is more important that doing the right thing.
So stop blaming the voters and take a deep look into your own values and principles because the nation being obliterated right now in the middle east and the people who stand for them even at great cost to themselves are definitely not to blame.
Because like it or not stopping aid for Israel would have pushed all Israel supporters to Trump. Sadly apparently most Palestine supporters are stupid enough to not see that is 1000x worse for them
I don't think this is a constructive way of looking at the situation. After all, being quiet about Netanyahu's abuses wasn't a winning strategy either. Besides, being scared of Israeli lobbying automatically makes you a bad leader.
Regular people don't live reading obscure threads on Lemmy so I'm 100% sure that the effects of the comments posted by tankies here are negligible.
My point is that you can't lose against the worst human being twice and keep blaming the electorate. If they want to lead, the dems have to stand for something instead of complaining about turnout or in general blaming anyone else but themselves. It was THEIR job to get out the vote.
Trump is a monumental POS but the dems prefer to cater to the people who voted for him instead of the people who want legitimate pro-working-class policies.
You can blame dems for a lot but to decide not to vote for them because of Gaza is the dumbest possible take
Who is likely to lose? Oh right harris.
Yo! Wisconsin whats up today? How your friends and family in the middle east doing?
Hey Harris have any of that worker love? Protection of american jobs? No? 🥴.
Yo Pennsylvania whats up?
But yes its the voters who are wrong.... Who was it that said 'only winning matters'? Oh right pelosi... Smart. Evil. Lady.
Yes, Democracy lost. Whats your point?
That you've still learned nothing from this experience. The thing we were telling you for the last month.
Harris' needed to give people a reason to vote for her. In Wisconsin that was stopping the genocide. In Pennsylvania thats fucking reducing the cost of living, inproving wages, etc.
If we're lucky enough to get out of this with our country in tact next time stfu up about lesser evil and demand your candidate have policies that benefit people.
In short dont be like 'sit down im speaking' harris, the lesser evil. And instead be more like 'yes sir stand up trll me what you need!'
You didnt tell me anything. I criticized Harris from the day she was made candidate. I am luckily not american and dont live there though
I told you exactly what you needed to hear. You're just unwilling to hear it.
You literally didnt tell me anything. I am not Harris, in her campaign, democrat, or american. But people who donr vote for the candidate most likely to tone down the genocide in favour of the person who wants to enhance it are responsible for the worsening of that genocide. No one who did not vote for Harris can claim to be pro Palestine again. With Trump Palestinians wont exist much longer and it is partly the fault of the idiots not voting or voting for Stein.
Yes, the voters are wrong? You think you're making some amazing point, but really you just look stupid.
Oh prole, divest yourself from politics its not healthy for you. You lack the ability to reason cause and effect. Someone in this thread has the correct take on the democratic party and their loss and its not you. Find the post about the democrats not being self reflective and how gaza is just a proxy for the root problem with democrats. They're obsession with data, and focus groups. Its not the voters who are wrong when you dont inspire them to show up.
Don't talk to me like you know me.
Sage advice. Perhaps take that mentally to all the people you've decided to disparage today and pver the last year in your fanatic quest to elect a terrible candidate who wasnt going to help them and they knew it.
Man, whatever you have to tell yourself to get to sleep at night.
Assuming that you actually give a shit about these people. Which I don't believe that you do.
Why? Does she automatically get all the votes just because she exists? You get votes by doing what your electorate wants you to do. She didn't do that and this is the result.
Because she is no fascist. If you have the choice between a fascist and a non fascist and you dont vote you support the fascist. In this case it is even dumber because one side tells Israel to calm it down but sadly still send weapons while the other says Israel is correct, did everything to worsen the relationships between israel and palestine even more and has a fucking settlement named after them.
If you have a choice between someone who is going to kill people you care about or a person that's going to kill the people you care about, voting for either of them is supporting people who kill people you care about. And it is doing that directly, not through some proxy "oh but Trumps voters will vote, we need people who don't support what Harris has been doing to vote for her anyways because not voting is supporting fascism".
One side does fuckall to stop what's happening in Palestine. They're letting the Israelis kill Palestinians en masse, displace them and take away their land. That side is currently in power and had every possibility and every leverage available to them to stop it. They didn't, and now they lost an election because of it.
The new side will still do fuckall to stop what's happening in Palestine. They will say Israel is correct and will still send arms to them to kill Palestinians.
The result is exactly the same - dead Palestinians in the Gaza strip.
You had the choice between someone who tell the people that do the killing to stop but isnt doing so strong enough and someone who says kill even more people and name a settlement after me, while also openly talking about implementing fascism.
Fuck every single person who didnt vote for Harris, esp. those who did so because of Gaza will regret their decision soon and deserve everything they will get now.
When did Harris tell people "to stop"? She said "Israels defense, end the war" two days before the election. Nothing more. And she only did that because the polling had it as a more important issue than the democrats previously thought.
You don't look at what politicians say, you look at what they do. And what they did was send more weapons to Israel. What they did is publicity stunts. What they did is shun people who talked about Gaza. Going as far as to shut them up with her idiotic "I'm speaking". The genocide continued.
But I don't blame people like you. To you Gaza is some far away country that you don't care about. To other voters though, it is an important thing and they have shown that. Call them names all you want - the reality is democrats fucked up. They fucked up on Gaza, they fucked up on moving to the right to try to "steal" votes from the republicans.
And this reasoning is why harris lost.
She lost because americans apparently love fascism. Or at least dont care about democracy. The people who didnt vote are on the same level as MAGA. Edit: I forgot. Same for the people who voted for a third party candidate
Okay Mr skinner, the children are definitely the ones who are wrong. Sigh 🙄
If the children support fascism they are clearly wrong. But cool if you are a big fan of fascists. You will see its horrors soon enough. Dont act like you didnt know what you were doing afterwards.
You lost friend, and you lost not because people support fascism trump has the same level of support as he had last time. But because you failed to push for policies Americans wanted in the states that matter.
I didnt participate non friend. And yes the dems lost because americans want fascism or at least dont mind it. They decided to believe the misinformation that tariffs will make things better even with being schooled they dont and sold their daughters and mothers rights for it.
The only good thing is that after Trump burned that shithole down hopefully something decent can be built.
If the electorate votes for the worst human being twice they definitely deserve a freaking hulking heap of blame.
They didnt show up fam. We warned you. We told you harris wasnt doing enough. But you insisted that they were at fault if they didnt vote. Well guess what. They didnt vote. And now you're stuck with the consequences. Thanks i guess.