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A new poll suggests that Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein is drawing more voters from former President Donald Trump than from Vice President Kamala Harris.

According to a Noble Predictive Insights survey released last week, Harris holds a narrow lead over Trump in a hypothetical three-way race. With Stein on the ballot, Harris' lead expands, pointing to a potential spoiler effect similar to what many Democrats blamed Stein for doing to Hillary Clinton in the 2016 election.

For Trump, the emergence of Stein as a potential spoiler may be a critical factor in battleground states, where even a small shift in votes could determine the outcome. For Harris, Stein's candidacy could paradoxically provide an unexpected advantage, drawing votes from Trump and narrowing his pathway to victory.

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[–] GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 41 points 1 month ago (4 children)

I'm struggling really hard to see which voter is on the fence between Trump and Stein. Wouldn't it be more likely to be on the fence between Stein and Harris, or Stein and the couch?

[–] maniacalmanicmania@aussie.zone 26 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I think Trump draws a lot of broad support from his 'anti-establishment' rhetoric so it kinda makes sense for folks to look to other anti-establishment candidates as an alternative to him. There's a tendency to look down upon Trump voters as only right wingers, conspiracists etc and not really understand that a lot of his support is superficial and based on limited information.

In a way it's not so much that Stein or other left candidates are spoilers for the establishment Dems but more the case that figures like Trump are spoilers for progressive alternatives to the establishment.

[–] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 month ago

Not as many people hate Harris specifically as hated Hillary, but a lot of people (for good and bad reasons) hate the Dems and also Kamala to some extent.

[–] Naryn@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago (2 children)

People who don't like Trump but are too anti Democrat to vote Harris

[–] FriendBesto@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 month ago

One could still be pro Democrat or pro democracy, and still do not like Harris. Many things can be true at the same time.

[–] WanderingVentra@lemm.ee 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Don't those people usually vote Libertarian?

[–] Naryn@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

They vote anti establishment in general, which is the green party.

I just personally hate anyone who tries to argue somebody doesn't have a right to ruin for presidency, they might not win but that's not the point. If you're a democracy, any citizen who meets the criteria has he right to run for an elected position.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Jill Stein is providing spite voters an option to not vote for Donald Trump.

Hillary took a lot of friendly fire in 2016 from the Bernie Bros who were not too happy.

[–] BobDole@hexbear.net 27 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It’s a fun thing to tell yourself, but more Sanders voters voted for Clinton in 2016 than Clinton voters voted for Obama in 2008.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I don't know the exact math you are referring. but I do know that Obama won and Hillary lost.

Did Obama win over more right wing voters than Hillary left wing voters?

[–] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 month ago

Obama was remarkably good at getting young voters out in record numbers at that time. My state went Democrat for the first (and last) time in 30-something years and when I looked at the county breakdown the newly turned blue counties were all counties with a major public university or multiple smaller universities.