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Let's say I decide I've had enough with this whole Federation business and that humanity would be better represented by a Starfleet that follows my particular ideology. Assuming I could get enough people for crew and support, why can't I start my own Starfleet?

I could replicate ship parts until I have a couple vessels. Go to new worlds and present myself as the official first contact of humanity. I could fly to Vulcan or Bajor and tell them no actually my organization represents humanity.

What's going to stop me?

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[–] Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz 20 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Raw material, I would imagine. I don't remember exactly how replicators work in the Star Trek universe, but they either rely on energy, a raw base material, or both. You can't create something out of nothing so you would need a significant supply chain to produce your fleet.

If it were that easy, every rogue organization in the galaxy would have already done it before you.

[–] ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yep, raw material and a net energy loss.

The Federation might have both in abundance, but I highly doubt that much energy consumption is allowed.

[–] SatyrSack@feddit.org 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

a net energy loss

Like... some energy just gets destroyed in the process? How does that work?

[–] ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 15 points 1 month ago

It gets converted into another form, as in the operation of any machine. I'm not arguing that it's destroyed.

[–] Darohan@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The Laws of Thermodynamics say you will always lose some energy to heat when energy is used to affect a change. I have to imagine this would be particularly so when energy is converted to matter since that's very involved, but I'm not a physicist so I can't confirm that.

Come to think of it, this means that industrial replication plants and shipyards would likely be incredibly hot places, due to the inevitable loss to heat in replicating massive components.

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 month ago

i'm sure the federation has good heat pumps and such

[–] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

My understanding is that replicators restructure atoms. In which case an asteroid would be plenty of material for a ship, even if some of it is lost in the process.

[–] Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

OK cool, now if only you had a ship to go get the asteroid so you could make a ship. My last point still stands though, if it were really that easy...

[–] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Sisko built a ship that could travel between planets and it didn't even have an engine....

[–] JWBananas@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

He also launched it from a space station.

[–] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Could I replicate charged batteries, then plug them in? Or would it take more energy to make the battery than you could get out of it? After all a battery is just a chemical reaction.

[–] Flyberius@hexbear.net 4 points 1 month ago

Of course you could. The process will take more energy than replicating a drained battery too.

[–] wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago

That would violate the laws of thermodynamics, you can’t create more energy in a closed system.