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Crab bucket voting (lemmy.world)

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 days ago (8 children)

If you think Trump is the reason for fascism, and not the other way around, you need to seriously reevaluate where you draw your conclusions from.

Fascism is Capitalism in decay. Trump is a synptom of a greater problem you cannot vote away. Voting for Harris isn't an anti-fascist vote.

Secondly, claiming genocide is merely an issue surrounding "ideological purity" and not, you know, genocide, is monstrous.

[–] Omodi@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago (2 children)

No one said that Trump is the reason for fascism. I personally blame Obama for changing nothing when he had the presidency though I'm sure there are lot of other liberal failures that have lead to the rise of fascism. We should still do anything to stop the fascists from winning power.

I don't love the BS narrivate around purity tests. Everyone has lines that once crossed we are not willing to tolerate. The bottom line is there is no viable candidate for president that supports ending Israeli genocide. However if you care about Palestinians at all you should vote for the lesser of two evils. It's the least anyone can do.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 days ago

No one said that Trump is the reason for fascism

The post did, they said Trump was the existential threat, and not the Capitalist decay that caused him to win.

I personally blame Obama for changing nothing when he had the presidency though I'm sure there are lot of other liberal failures that have lead to the rise of fascism

Great Man Theory is wrong. Obama was again, a symptom of Capitalism, the Bourgeoisie needed a Neoliberal warmonger and got one.

We should still do anything to stop the fascists from winning power.

Correct, we need to join revolutionary orgs like PSL and FRSO and end support for enablers of fascism like the DNC and GOP.

I don't love the BS narrivate around purity tests

I don't either, liberals need to stop pretending they are anti-fascist by continuing to enable fascism.

Everyone has lines that once crossed we are not willing to tolerate.

Genocide is a major one for me.

The bottom line is there is no viable candidate for president that supports ending Israeli genocide.

Sounds like it's your moral responsibility to get organized with anti-genocide parties.

However if you care about Palestinians at all you should vote for the lesser of two evils. It's the least anyone can do.

There isn't a lesser evil when it comes to the genocide of Palestinians among the DNC and GOP, both are completely in lock-step and want to expand it to a regional war. Walz even supports the "Greater Israel" project.

[–] Edie@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

However if you care about Palestinians at all you should vote for the lesser of two evils

"If you care about the palestinians, you should vote for their genocide".

[–] Ioughttamow@fedia.io 0 points 2 days ago

So don’t vote? Vote for west or stein, giving trump the presidency?

I think vote for Harris, because a trump reelection may well be the end of democracy. If the democrats win big, they may be able to push through legislation that enshrines abortion rights, subsidizes childcare. Hell, a blue wave with a mandate might give Harris the backing to give Netanyahu the what for. If the left proves they’ll actually show up and vote, they’ll start to be listened to more. If they stay home, America will move right, further than it is

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