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Is there any good private messenger at all? (lemmy.ml)

submitted 1 day ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) by JustMarkov@lemmy.ml to c/privacy@lemmy.ml

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I've been inspecting this topic quite a lot and I'm a little confused now. So, we have reasons not to use Signal, reasons not to use Matrix, there were also some claims about Session being a fraught. Briar is mostly activists related (not very suitable for daily use), XMPP lacks good clients and suffers from fragmentation of protocol standards implementation, SimpleX is too feature-incomplete (no UnifiedPush support, big battery drain on Android, very decent desktop client without any message sync). I can't say a lot about Threema or Wire, as I'm not very familiar with them.

So, my question is — is there any good private messenger at all? What do you think is the most acceptable option?

EDIT: In addition to my post:

All messengers have their flaws, I'm well aware of that. I was interested in hearing users' opinions regarding these shortcomings, not in finding the perfect messenger. I may have worded my thoughts incorrectly, sorry for that.

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[–] rcbrk@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

XMPP lacks good clients and suffers from fragmentation of protocol standards implementation

For Android: Conversations is excellent, also on F-Droid if you don't want to use the Google store.
For iOS/MacOS: Siskin or iOS/MacOS: Monal.
For Linux/Windows: Gajim or Linux: Dino.

"Protocol fragmentation" is not a valid complaint about XMPP -- it's like complaining that ActivityPub is fragmented; but that's not a problem: you use the services (Mastodon, Lemmy, Kbin, etc) built with it which suit your needs, mostly interacting with that sector of the federation (eg, Lemmy+Kbin), but get a little interoperability with other sectors as a bonus (eg, Lemmy+Mastodon).

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 23 hours ago

I fucking love gajim (but I call it Gaijin because it's funny to me.)