The fact that you made a personal attack followed by a bunch of drivel there that has nothing to do with anything I said is really in character fro you.

[–] takeda@kbin.social -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What personal attack? Are you saying your thumbnail is offensive to you?

You don't answer these questions, because you don't have a good answer that doesn't show that you are supporting the genocide being committed by Russia.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

My thumbnail isn't offensive to me, but a reddit troll talking about it in pejorative fashion is. And your "questions" have nothing to do with anything I said here. However, last I checked it was Ukraine committing ethnic cleansing in Donbas as CNN reported back in 2014. Also, Russia should be held to the same standard western "democracies" are held to. The ones that invaded Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, Syria, and Afghanistan. In fact, US currently occupies a greater percentage of Syria than Russia is occupying of Ukraine while stealing food and oil from the people of Syria. Western war on terror has massacred over 6 million people, and nobody holds a candle to US when it comes to killing civilians. In fact, UK is currently torturing a journalist who exposed US war crimes in Iraq.

But I guess Russia's invasion of Ukraine is different from all that because people in Ukraine have blond hair and blue eyes, so a bunch western racists started caring about wars all of a sudden. You have no moral high ground when your own country commits far worse atrocities than what Russia is doing.

[–] takeda@kbin.social -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Stop changing the topics and answer that simple question. You are all about peace, so tell me:

who needs to sacrifice what to achieve the peace?
how Ukraine can trust Russia that after 2003, 2014, 2018, 2022 they finally will stop it once and for all?

You must have something in mind, or are you saying that you have no idea what you're talking about?

[–] gary_host_laptop@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Again you didn't address a single point and diverted everything with pseudo arguments.

[–] takeda@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

did you forgot to switch the accounts?

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago

I'm not changing any topics. I'm pointing out the how utterly morally bankrupt your position is. The reality of the situation is that it was possible to avoid the war, and all Ukraine had to do to achieve that was to stay neutral. Ukraine joining NATO was a red line for Russia, and this is something that was well known both in Ukraine and in the west. Countless western experts have been warning about this for many decades. This only became controversial to mention after the war started. Here's what Chomsky has to say on the issue recently:

https://truthout.org/articles/us-approach-to-ukraine-and-russia-has-left-the-domain-of-rational-discourse/

https://truthout.org/articles/noam-chomsky-us-military-escalation-against-russia-would-have-no-victors/

50 prominent foreign policy experts (former senators, military officers, diplomats, etc.) sent an open letter to Clinton outlining their opposition to NATO expansion back in 1997:

George Kennan, arguably America's greatest ever foreign policy strategist, the architect of the U.S. cold war strategy warned that NATO expansion was a "tragic mistake" that ought to ultimately provoke a "bad reaction from Russia" back in 1998.

Jack F. Matlock Jr., US Ambassador to the Soviet Union from 1987-1991, warning in 1997 that NATO expansion was "the most profound strategic blunder, [encouraging] a chain of events that could produce the most serious security threat [...] since the Soviet Union collapsed"

Even Gorbachev warned about this. All these experts were marginalized, silenced, and ignored. Yet, now people are trying to rewrite history and pretend that Russia attacked Ukraine out of the blue and completely unprovoked.

The reality is that it's Ukraine that refused to implement Minsk while attacking civilian population in Donbas as CNN reported at the time. Now, western and Ukrainian leaders have actually admitted on record that they never planned to implement Minsk and it was a play for time.

You must have something in mind, or are you saying that you have no idea what you’re talking about?

I'm saying that it's either you who has no idea what you're talking about or you're just an outright liar. Either way it's a pretty bad look. War happened because of people like you, and now hundreds of thousands of people have died, millions have had their lives ruined, and Ukraine will lose a huge chunk of its territory in the best case scenario. All of this happened because the west and Ukraine refused to negotiate.