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Modern AI data centers consume enormous amounts of power, and it looks like they will get even more power-hungry in the coming years as companies like Google, Microsoft, Meta, and OpenAI strive towards artificial general intelligence (AGI). Oracle has already outlined plans to use nuclear power plants for its 1-gigawatt datacenters. It looks like Microsoft plans to do the same as it just inked a deal to restart a nuclear power plant to feed its data centers, reports Bloomberg.

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[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Is it going to be started up again?

If M$ doesn’t invest into this for their own purposes, is it still going to be started up? Or is your position that M$ should be investing in a nuclear power plant for the good of the world?

Because while I can agree with the idea, we all know that would never happen. So if it was never going to be started up again, we are at 0 gain or loss no matter what they do with it.

And that’s ignoring the fact that they are apparently intending on using that energy anyway.

[–] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

it would be a missed opportunity in the sense of "if they can allow it to be turned it back on to waste its power on this dead-end tech, why couldn't it have been allowed to operate again (earlier) for reasons we actually need?"

I'm not putting the blame on microsoft here, even though it might seem that way. But it's not microsoft who need to give the go-ahead for this to happen. It's the higher ups who decided to give the capacity to microsoft.

Yes it was still going to be used, but they could have been paying out the ass for it, which could fund other projects.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It operated for a long time profitably. It ceased operations in 2019 because it became unprofitable, largely because Methane undercut it. Methane should cost a lot more, but they don't have to pay for negative externalities. Nuclear has to contain all of its waste, and handle it carefully.

[–] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

as opposed to just spewing it out in the air? (carbon 14 is a thing, those things emit a lot more radioactivity to the environment)

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 months ago

I'm not saying they should not contain it. I'm saying other sources should have to. We only force one energy source has to pay for the cost of all of its waste. Why is that? It's only to the benefit of dirty energy.

[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If there were plans for it to be used, then I’m with you. But if I’m being honest, I’d put money on the original plan consisting of letting it sit there for decades to come without being used.

And “paying out the ass” is what they will likely be doing, just to the private corpos that own the plant. It’s not government run, the money would never circle back to taxpayers beyond normal taxation.

[–] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

that's what I'm complaining about. If there can be plans now, why was the original plan just "let it rot"?

[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Greed? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I don’t think you’re going to get the answer you want here. But I’d be willing to bet M$ is dropping the $$$ for whatever retrofits and repairs need to be done, with the agreement being they get the power near cost for a set duration.

Obviously that’s speculation on my part, but would explain the situation quite cleanly.