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cross-posted from: https://lemm.ee/post/42676060

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[–] mindlight@lemm.ee 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

That's not how you spell "Xinjang camps" ...

[–] erenkoylu@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)
[–] LouNeko@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

There's no way in Hell a country with a population in the billions has lower incarnation numbers than one with a few hundred million. That is just statistically impossible. It all comes down to what you count as incarnated. This is like the US "solving" its unemployment crisis by not counting people who think about maybe looking for work sometime as not unemployed. These numbers are self reported, so they should be taken with a big grain of salt.

[–] MNByChoice@midwest.social 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Thank you for the reference link.

China has one hell of a note on that page:

b. See info about additional detainees, and alleged detainees, at Re-education through labor, Laogai, and Xinjiang internment camps.

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Because China executes at a rate 100x the US, that we know of, believed to be 1000x.

No person, no prisoner. --Stalin

Also, Tibet and Xinjiang.

[–] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

They also have 100x we many executions as we have, probably closer to 1000x.

[–] erenkoylu@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 0 points 1 week ago

Yeah, so we're still what, 10k behind China this year?

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I don't see what this has to do with the fact that China utilises slave labour from a religious minority group they are currently genociding to aid in their construction and manufacturing sector.

To my knowledge, you go to prison in the US when you commit a crime, as opposed to a labour camp where you are sterilised then made to build Fords under threat of death.

[–] 0x0@programming.dev 0 points 2 weeks ago

you go to prison in the US when you commit a crime

Gotta keep'em prisons profitable...

[–] erenkoylu@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

America also uses slave prison labour

And America has more incarcerated people than China, despite China having way more people.

[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

No...just no. China's prison population is not counted correctly, just from their forced reeducation camps, its estimated they have 1-2 million people in them. The usa has around 1.2 million in prison. So no china does not have less prisoners. I don't know where this bullshit lie showed up but it's been repeated way to long.

Does the USA have a problem with incarcerating people for non-violent offenses, hell yes, but that's a whole different argument.

[–] erenkoylu@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

China is also much larger than US. Even with your fantasy numbers US has more prisoners per capita.

America is a authoritarian nation. You guys just killed a guy and several bystanders over a 2.9 dollar fare ffs.

[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

Lol @ fantasy numbers...only a tankie would think that.

Yea we have problems, but acting like china is better is hilariously wrong.

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Ok, putting aside for a moment China's totally honest and not at all fudged number of incarcerated people...

The US allowing prison labour is something I'm disgusted by.

But it's still a far cry from abducting people based on their religion, sometimes sterilising them so they can't have kids, threatening them with their life, threatening their family, and forcing them to work in factories or in construction, then using that slave labour to undercut and kill foreign competition.

Don't try to twist this into a "you're complaining about China therefore you think the US is great". I'm saying China is far worse. Because they are, and only a complete muppet would think otherwise.

Maybe you're ok with what China does (slavery and genocide), but I am not.

[–] erenkoylu@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Everything you accuse China of, the US is guilty of the same or worse. How many people in the US are in jail for the crime of being black?

I never said China is great. They are horrible. The US is just worse.

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I don't want what you're smoking.

[–] erenkoylu@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

this is how most americans react to being told that they are an authoritarian country.

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Not American. You'd think my spelling would've made that obvious.

And lmao at thinking China isn't hugely more authoritarian.

Stop with this tankie nonsense. Genocide is bad. Stop defending it.

[–] erenkoylu@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I never said it wasn't. But America has killed more people in my liftime than China has. In the evil overlords okympics, America wins the gold medal.

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You're here throughout the entire comment section pretending the US is worse (fucking LMAO), and minimising the genocide and slavery that China is engaged in.

Enjoy your car built by slaves from a community being genocided I guess.

I bet if you were around in the 40s you'd be clamouring on getting your hands on a vehicle built in Nazi labour camps.

[–] erenkoylu@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

China didn't invade Iraq, Afgansitan, Syria; bomb Yemen, Libya or support Israel.

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Again with the whataboutism.

I criticise China for using slave labour from a religious minority they are commuting genocide on and your reply is "but the US has done bad things too"

Nobody gives a fuck about the US. This isn't about the US. I was just dismissing your whataboutism by pointing out that China is far worse.

Why are you advocating for genocide? Do you get warm fuzzies every time you hear about an Uighur dying in a labour camp? Or any time one gets sterilised?

I bet you support Russia's genocide too.

[–] erenkoylu@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Nobody gives a fuck about the US. This isn’t about the US.

I do. This is about the horrible things the US has done and is doing. The fact you can't even bear a discussion about this topic says you are a horrible person.

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

No, the discussion is about Chinese EVs. You've just went on a tangent of whataboutism because your dick gets hard at the thought of Uighur slave labour camps, Uighur sterilisation, Uighur killings, as well as Ukrainian children being raped and killed.

Because you're a piece of shit tankie who should kill himself and rid the world of another turd who supports genocide. You love what China is doing, you love what Russia is doing, you love what the Nazis did, and you probably love what Israel is doing too.

Enjoy your subpar car made by slaves under the treat of having their family killed.

[–] erenkoylu@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

America still killed more people and invaded more countries. You're just brainwashed with propaganda to ignore that.

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Da comrade. Don't worry. Soon the Ukrainians, Uighurs, and Palestinians will be exterminated

[–] erenkoylu@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I have not made a comment about any of those topics. You are delusional, imagining arguments I have not made.

I recommend seeing a doctor.

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You are the one celebrating genocide. I'm not the one who needs their head sorted out.

[–] erenkoylu@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 week ago

you're replying to imagined arguments I never made. seriously, go see a doctor, you're hallucinating, or can't read English.