Edit: they're misconstruing the 32-country military coalition that's been trying to degrade Da'esh since 2014 as the US military by itself occupying sovereign territory.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_against_the_Islamic_State

Some may remember the breathless daily & weekly map updates on the news showing areas controlled by Da'esh changing. Might remember the coalition partnering with various groups of differing militancy & reliability. I think including us (the coalition) fucking over Iraqi Kurds...? I believe because Syria hated them? Or loved them?

So, y'know, absolutely nothing like Russia's completely unprovoked, unilateral decision to invade Ukraine because Putin was afraid of Ukraine getting too chummy with NATO countries, possibility even considering joining NATO.

[–] vovchik_ilich@hexbear.net 26 points 2 months ago (1 children)

completely unprovoked

considering joining NATO

Those two statements are in the same phrase... My god

[–] ristoril_zip@lemmy.zip -4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

So your contention is that Nation A considering joining an alliance that Nation B doesn't like - not actually joining, just considering - is a provocation worthy of military invasion?

Jesus what a world that would be.

[–] vovchik_ilich@hexbear.net 13 points 2 months ago

[...] is a provocation worthy of military invasion?

See, that's an entirely different statement. Threatening to join Russia's geopolitical rival's military alliance while bordering Russia, is provocation. The acts in Donbas since 2014 are provocation. Is it "worthy of military invasion"? I don't believe so. The proto-fascist Russian government is clearly not acting entirely out of pure will and self defense, and I'll be the last to defend it since I have loved ones directly suffering under that government. But it's important to frame things correctly, and yes, threatening to join NATO while bordering Russia is a huge provocation.

Particularly, NATO has no history of defensiveness (as far as I know it has never intervened for the defensive purposes it's supposed to uphold), but it has a history of offensiveness. Yugoslavia and Libya can both attest to that, and extra-officially (technically not NATO interventions even if many NATO members participated one way or another), countries such as Iraq can also attest. The case of Iraq is a perfect example of what unprovoked invasion in modern times is, and we are still forced to see libs fall heads over heels for a fucking Dick Satan Cheney endorsement to Kamala "most lethal army in the world" Harris.

So, yes, when a country bordering you chooses to join a historically aggressive military alliance that openly challenges you, that's huge provocation. And it's important to state so when we talk about the war in Ukraine.

[–] What_Religion_R_They@hexbear.net 24 points 2 months ago (1 children)

always a wake up call comment to make me realize im on the other world news comm

[–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 13 points 2 months ago

It's startling and confusing at times, honestly.

I feel like I must be misreading or having a stroke until I figure it out.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 23 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The US is in Syria against the will of the legitimate government of Syria that's recognized by the UN. This is an invasion and a violation of the sovereignty of Syria. Period.

The fact that you rushed in to try and paint it as something other while bleating about Russia’s completely unprovoked, unilateral decision to invade Ukraine says everything we need to know about you.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 20 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Do you live in a cave? https://www.barrons.com/news/damascus-says-us-occupation-of-syrian-territory-cannot-continue-e97c5e5a

[–] ristoril_zip@lemmy.zip -3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Updated

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 19 points 2 months ago

proceeded to further embarrass yourself