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There is a house I walk by occasionally that I absolutely love. It's old and run down but definitely art deco in a modest kind of way, with round balconies and a gold brick doorway. As a joke, I keep telling people this is my future house.

I say as a joke because I am a broke millennial. I have accepted my fate of never moving past paying rent for a place to live and spending the remainder of my minimalist income on avocado toast and oat milk lattes.

But recently, I saw a "For Sale" sign in front of the house and this is probably my only chance to ever see its art deco interior, if any is left, before it's all turned into a modern and soulless place.

I have called the seller and I overheard its asking price when they referred to it as the "1.1 million euro house". They asked twice if that was indeed the one I wanted to visit.

The visit date will be set next week.

Now, how do I sound like I'm the kind of person who doesn't flinch at the idea of spending a million euros on a house? What questions do I ask? What might they ask me in return? What are things I shouldn't say?

Some extra information:

  • This is in Brussels, Belgium
  • A permit was requested to split the house into 5 apartments (2 floors could be built above the existing 3)
  • It was originally built as a single family home

Edit: this is the house

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UPDATE

I got a phone call last Monday about the house. They offered a visit that very day. So I quickly got ready. I tried to make myself look legit (thanks @boogetyboo@aussie.zone and @ultranaut@lemmy.world for the advice) by downloading the permit info, printing it and putting it inside a notebook. It was new and blank, so to make it look used, I added a few papers and paperclips sticking out and a big binder clip holding it open at a random page, where I took some notes: permit number, number of rooms, asking price.

I then met with the real estate guy, I felt apprehensive but excited. I greeted him and he asked if I was more interested in the single home or the apartment project. I said it would be apartments but I was open-minded about the single home. I told him the funds were coming from a relative. I asked if I could take photos for them. And then we started the tour.

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A big round staircase is the first thing I saw. Beautiful parquet with exotic wood. Round panels bringing light in here and there. One room still had big yellow flower wallpaper.

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My first thought was that the place was much bigger than it looked.

The basement was very damp and moldy in some places. The electrical system was very outdated.

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The gound floor still had a wooden built-in cabinet.

I saw a succession of big rooms, rounded edges, big windows. Lots of light.

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Next floor still had a bathroom with red tiles, a bidet and very old fixtures. A rusty balcony with windows rounded at the corners.

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I asked a little about the house. It was built in 1926, belonged to a doctor.

The plaster was falling off the walls, which were cracked in places. The house seems to have been unused for decades.

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The real estate guy told me he estimated the repairs to be probably around another million euros.

Next floor was much of the same, it had a very cool cast iron fireplace with rounded shelves. We walked on a pretty sizeable terrace and looked down at the garden. There was the nicest little staircase curving down to the (overgrown) garden that was just way too damaged to be saved. It was heartbreaking to see everything so broken and rusted. (I don't have photos of it, my bad.)

There was an old minuscule kitchen in a corner. It had sideways cabinets to save space.

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I asked about several things (thanks @eezeebee@lemmy.ca and @JaY_III@lemmy.ca for the suggestions), whether there was a humidity problem, whether the cracks were structural, whether the garage got flooded, whether that was asbestos around the basement pipes, and each time the real estate guy said "Hm, I don't know". Like thanks but you're not helping me in my decision.

At one point the guy said I could make a lower offer - like a million - if I wanted it as a single home.

Outside I said we'd keep in touch. I don't know how passable I was, but he did ask me if I was an architect, so maybe I had some credibility?

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So then I went home. I was happy that I finally got to see the house and that it still had stuff inside, but very sad that it is in the shape it is and that I can't save it.

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[–] proudblond@lemmy.world 31 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (7 children)

I’m from California so my wealth meter is broken beyond all reason. Is 1.1 million euros really considered “rich?” Everybody’s making jokes about wearing a monocle or not asking questions about flooding and I’m sitting here thinking about the house on my street that sold for about that much recently…and is a tear-down. 😭

Edit: actually wait, it was more like twice that much… it was like $2.3 mil and there’s no way they do any less than strip it to the framing.

[–] Mr_Blott@feddit.uk 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

There's no comparison.

Your housing is so badly and cheaply constructed that if you tried to build like that, even in Belgium, the council would demand you tear it down at your own expense and start again

This is a perfectly good, liveable, hundred year old house in need of renovating, that'll easily last another hundred

Also depends where it is. There are parts where a million will get you a 3 bedroom cottage, and parts where that'll get you a castle

[–] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

There are 100 year old houses in America made of fine timber or brick that look better than this and will last longer.

It's a big country. Modern construction is rarely built to last, but there are millions of homes here that would fit your description without issue.

[–] Mr_Blott@feddit.uk -2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

You can punch your hand through your plasterboard mate lol

[–] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I don't have plasterboard walls. They are lath and plaster.. The studs and framing are beautiful old hardwood.

It's a sturdy and lovely old house that has stood the test of time. It's one of the millions in the states that I was talking about.

[–] proudblond@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

So will an earthquake. It may be “cheap” but we do it that way because it’s light. At least in California. That way if it falls on you, you might not die.

[–] Mr_Blott@feddit.uk -2 points 2 months ago

At least that's what the builder told you so he could buy his third boat lol

[–] thr0w4w4y2@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 months ago

yeah. That kind of money is top 5% of homes in most of Europe outside very wealthy areas and districts like Zurich. In the UK the average house price is about £300k ($400k)

[–] Meltrax@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

Yeah dude. I'm in Boston. It isn't San Fran levels yet but if you want a lot (with a rotting house on it) that will be a nice $2mil and then you can enjoy removing the rotted house.

[–] Ziggurat@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

A quick search tell me that in Belgium the minimal wage is 2000€ sauce before tax.

So yes one million is above a lifetime of work for many persons, definitely rich

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[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 2 points 2 months ago

Aussie here, paid that much for my place. Our markets are broken

[–] Mycatiskai@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Vancouver BC is home of the broken wealth meter. There was a flash game where you guessed which house was listed over a million dollars.

https://archive.org/details/crack-shack-or-mansion

[–] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

There's a guy on the internet who does videos comparing Vancouver real estate with literal European castles of a similar price. "Not livable" money in Vancouver can get you "has gardens and outbuildings with servant's quarters" in some parts of Europe.

[–] Mycatiskai@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago

We sold a townhouse in the lower mainland and bought a house on an acre+ in middle BC with some money left over.

Vancouver is ridiculous.

[–] cygnus@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago

Same, and also with experience in the construction business, so my first thought was that 220k per door for apartments is quite reasonable. I wouldn't fret about it at all, because in the grand scheme of things this is chump change. Just say you're getting into real estate investing with a business partner.