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Israel’s military has said it was highly likely its troops fired the shot that killed Ayşenur Ezgi Eygi, the American-Turkish woman killed at a protest in the occupied West Bank.

The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said her death was unintentional and expressed deep regret.

The statement came as Antony Blinken, the US secretary of state, called the killing of the 26-year-old last week “unprovoked and unjustified”.

Speaking on a diplomatic visit to London, Blinken told journalists that Eygi’s death showed the Israeli security forces needed to make fundamental changes to their rules of engagement.

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[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago (26 children)

The sad truth is, give us someone who does. Who stands a chance. Then and only then will that discussion matter. Till then, not making things abjectly worse is sadly the best option. And we can push to improve from there. As opposed to trying to push to improve from a worse position in 4 years time.

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml -3 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

They will not exist so long as you vote for "lesser evil" genociders. Why would there be? You still vote for them! They don't need to listen to you at all and will gladly continue the project that is in their overall material interest in supporting Israel. You show up in their databases as, "Likely Democratic voter" and so they send some volunteers to try to get you to vote and they ask you for money. That is how you are thought of, and I mean this literally. That is how they curate and use their information. The rest is PR for how to ensure you don't take these looney anti-genociders too seriously.

There is no "push from there" without leverage. If they don't do what you want, what are you going to do? With what power? If you mske a threat, why is it credible? We are kept docile and ineffective through electoral illogic that serves the interests of the existing political class and cannot imagine gaining or wielding power in any practical way.

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

I'll tell you same as I told them. Unless you have a populist General uprising in your pocket. Then your rhetoric is empty. I'm 100% ready for a popular general non-leninist uprising. Let's go. But I don't have time or bandwidth for empty holier than thou virtue signaling. I actually want things to not get worse and possibly even make them better. Not enable the worst people among us.

[–] NobodyElse@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Due to the very real and observable ratchet effect, the outcome of your strategy is that things actually get worse… just slightly slower than they otherwise would. Voting for the “lesser of two evils” will never, ever make things better. You need to take a risk and vote for a non-evil to even have a shot at making things actually better.

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I disagree. I'm not going to say the ratchet effect doesn't exist. But I'm going to say that it's not a major impactor. If you've been alive over the last near 50 years and I have. You will have noticed a lot of change that didn't come about due to the ratchet effect. And a lot of it dies back specifically to that fascist Reagan. His election and time in office absolutely put the Democratic Party in heavy disarray. To the point where honestly even today their still trying to figure out what works.

And something to remember ratchets can go both ways. I think it's been so long since people really remember being united voting for democrats. And especially with the Advent of social media and the internet it's become far more easier to divide the left than ever. And we already self-divided considerably before. But if we actually had some solidarity we could flick the switch and Ratchet back the other way.

[–] WanderingVentra@lemm.ee 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

How can you have been alive that long and not noticed the ratchet effect? It specifically increased with Reagan, who put in a bunch of neoliberal policies that Democrats still haven't rolled back all these years later.

And unfortunately the ratchet can't go the other way because it's not in the material interest of the higher up Democrats to help regular people. That media that divides people is done on purpose by the exact same interests that own our politicians.

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

So, the new deal etc didn't happen. Gotcha.

It can and does happen. But unfortunately it's very slow moving. Creeping over generations. Which makes it nearly impossible to see by many. Especially younger people who've only known the current situation. The last Peak being back in the silent generation's lifetime. It happens and we have made progress and will make progress. Especially if we can stop finding scapegoats to blame for why things won't work. And start working together again showing solidarity like they did back then

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