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Lead dev of grapheneos is extremely toxic in communication. I don't trust someone like that developing the software running on a phone.
might be toxic, but the os is brilliant
I know Daniel somewhat from some years back, and calling him extremely toxic is just wrong. He is and has always been rather bad at communication under stress and is clearly on the spectrum in some way. Technically a genius person, but perhaps doesn't have the right set of qualities to lead things, except from a strictly technical pov.
Very good decision from him to withdraw from social media. I hope he manages to contribute in the future.
This is not an excuse to behave the way he does.
He hasn't, still on github, still on HN.
He isn't on the project since last year. androguru
That's dubious, since the "former" lead developer is still referring to the project with the pronoun "we" on social media.
You can still be part of a project without being lead, to be part of the "we." Did he contribute and/or is he part of GrapheneOS, yes? So he's part of the "we."
Or does only the lead developer get the "we?" Wouldn't that make it more of an "I" instead?
I was responding to a comment that claimed "he isn't on the project since last year". Based on his activity on social media, he is clearly still in the project.
You should remember that he founded the original CopperheadOS project (from which he was violently ousted by his cofounder) and has been working on it and this for a decade.
His github says otherwise
It states that he is the "Founder of @GrapheneOS", not the current lead developer. So I don't get your point
His activity on GrapheneOS repositories, issues, etc. indicates he's still very active in development and in the community.
IMO he can contribute all he wants. His PRs will still have to go through someone else (i.e. the new maintainer / lead dev). I don't care if he adds new code. That's much appreciated.
Toxicity is more of an issue if you're the maintainer since you have control over the project.
Honestly, a lot of lead devs in fantastic FOSS software have pretty limited patience. I've read plenty of that guy's discourse, and while I think he could be more diplomatic, I don't see any reason to suspect he's doing anything malicious with the project.
I'm personally totally fine using GrapheneOS. If you aren't, there are plenty of alternatives.
"Limited patience" is understandable, but the behavior of the GrapheneOS dev is completely different. I've personally interacted with them not too long ago, and nothing has changed since the public accusations from a year ago.
That's fair. I personally don't interact with him, nor do I plan to (why would I?), so it really doesn't bother me. As long as the other devs can manage dealing with him and the quality of the code stays high, I'm happy. If the other devs leave the project, I'll look for forks.
So? Bad people can make good things. We should all stop using Linux because Torvalds is a dick?
Do you have some examples?
Louis Rossman's video describes his behavior in public spaces accurately: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4To-F6W1NT0
Thank you, this is really toxic
as long as they do good work i don't give a shit what they think