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The Russians truly do not give a shit about anything besides the ego of supreme leader.
Why would they agree to a grain deal who mostly goes to europe when they are not in good relationship? Simply because fuck yes european overlords take the grain
It goes mostly to Africa, not Europe.
47% goes to Europe, so 53% goes to other countries. So I am technically correct here. African countries will unfortunately feel the biggest impact, even though the numbers maybe aren’t that high.
My point was that it doesn‘t go mostly to Europe. Which is correct. But yes, I didn’t write it. Also Africans suffer the most because of it, not Europe (which makes this whole debate completely senseless)
No it doesn't it goes mostly to China, and China will be okay without this, then, after this, it goes mainly to Europe. Don't come with this bullshit you give two fucks about African people now.
The amount of grain still going to Africa is very significant, not to mention whatever processing then export of secondary products eventually goes to developing countries. And grain is a global commodity. Without the grain deal, Ukraine doesn’t have any other viable option to export at volume that can compete with sea exports, given that the European rail gauges are different and the physical logistics of transporting it are cost prohibitive and limited by capacity. That raises the price of Ukrainian grain which raises the price of grain globally since it all competes in the same global market. And those who would be most affected are countries who are both food importers and poor, where Africa and the Middle East are top of the list.
Rising grain prices sparked the Arab spring, were part contributor to the political and economic collapse of Sri Lanka, and in general higher food prices have a very disproportionate effect on the poor everywhere.
Costa Rica (stick with me here) is world-renowned for it's coffee, which makes up 15% of the GDP of the entire country. And years ago, when I visited a coffee plantation in Costa Rica, they told me how they make decaffeinated coffee - and that, while decaffeinated coffee was a product in demand in Costa Rica, there wasn't a single de-cacfeinating plant in the entire country. It was cheaper for them to ship the coffee to Germany to be decaffeinated, then shipped back to Costa Rica for more processing before being sold. Why is this relevant?
Because it's entirely possible that they're processing the base grain into more refined products before it heads to it's final destination.
And, as with any speculation, just because something is possible does not guarantee it is happening. As with any speculation, it helps to try to back up your claims.
It‘s just that Russia presents itself as the savior of the African continent while their actions speak very differently.
https://tass.com/
Do you have a ref that isn't Russia?
They have a vested interest in supplying misinformation
Doesnt it mostly go to Africa etc?
Yes, the comment you answered to doesn't make any sense.
Main Russian grains clients: Egypt, Turkey, ~~Sudan~~ Nigeria
https://oec.world/en/profile/bilateral-product/wheat/reporter/rus
However they might have European companies as intermediary or buy/sell activities.
Edit: Ah not sure about this source, I'll try to find another one.
No, it doesn't.
https://tass.com/
Do you have a ref that isn't Russia?
They have a vested interest in supplying misinformation
https://www.feedandgrain.com/grain-supply-chain/news/15384273/report-ukrainian-grain-fed-pigs-in-spain
No.
https://tass.com/
Do you have a ref that isn't Russia?
They have a vested interest in supplying misinformation
Most of it goes to Africa though. All Russia is doing here is hurting Africa, which is on brand considering Wagner's dealings there anyway.
Half went to feed pigs for fancy meat in Spain.
Remember who lied to you about it and don't trust them next time.
No it dpesn't, stop pretending you care about the Global South to save your ass.
https://tass.com/
Do you have a ref that isn't Russia?
They have a vested interest in supplying misinformation
"source: TASS" 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂
ah goold old “show me proof” that you won’t accept anyways.
Because TASS is literally fantasy directly from the Kremlin. Not even the people who produce that believe this nonsense. You are truly lost my friend.
y vos te pensas que que, que la mierda que publican uds tiene algun tipo de magia democratica que la hace verdad? anda a hacerte ortear pedazo de garca
lol won't even bother to put that into a translation machine because it'll be worthless garbage. Whining in your native tongue hoping others won't understand it is always a sign of strength and bravery, right?
lol people are making complete fools of themselves parroting this shit. Of course most of the grain goes to Turkey to travel further from there. Instead of sending ships to fucking Kenya from Ukraine it is much more sensible to get as much as you can out of Ukraine to the next safe harbour - which is Turkey. Apparently these basics are too clever for you lot.
Give me some source to all of the chewed shit you just said
Ah goold old "show me proof" that you won't accept anyways. Here's a question for you: if all the grain vanished into Europe as you say, why have there been no complaints from Africa? Where are the famines that were to happen if Ukraine did not surrender so that Russia allows exports again?
The only complaints from Africa we hear is that Russia's exit from the deal is a stab in the back. Never did we hear "well the grain never reached Africa anyways" before but now we hear it from the usual useful idiots.